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Tradcon is an abbreviation for 'traditional conservative', describing people who (in the interpersonal realm) want a return to chivalry (man proves himself to and protects the woman), traditional gender roles, religion, and the nuclear family (monogamy). A core goal of tradconism is putting women back into their place such that their Chadsexuality, solipsism and neuroticism aren't as annoying and demoralizing.

Due to 'tradcon' being a slur, virtually no one self-identifies as such, however tradcons are easy to identify by this definition. Blackpillers largely overlap with tradcon values and practices.[1][2][3][4][5] Traditionalist vary in the degree to which they want to return to traditions. Some luddite tradcons want to revert most of the technological revolution. Religious tradcons want a return to religious traditions (churchgoing etc.). Many blackpillers, on the other hand, are only interested in restoring monogamy, the subordination of women and the nuclear family without any additional historical baggage.

Even though the admin of this wiki hates tradconism, he thinks adherents are adorable because all they want is a Disney romance, a traditional relationship, and a devoted wife to come home to.

Blackpillers and other internet trandconism[edit | edit source]

Some outside observers have noticed a discrepancy between movements in the manosphere towards traditional values, and the values of the space they populate, for example Angela Nagle:[6]

Can “traditional ideas about gender” really be bursting forth from an Internet culture that also features gender-bending pornography, discussions about bisexual curiosity, and a male My Little Pony fandom? What’s more, can a retreat from the traditional authority of the nuclear family into an extended adolescence of videogames, porn, and pranks really be described as patriarchal?

A simple explanation is, of course, that there are no other forums for conservatives except free-speech absolutist ones which attract highly diverse forum users. There is, however, some truth in the observation that internet tradcons and blackpillers typically do not show an inclination towards traditions besides enforced monogamy and subordination of women. Some claim monogamy can only be restored through religious vehicles, but others claim norms and laws will spread in a natural progression, once political correctness is abolished.

Tradcon women[edit | edit source]

Tradcon women, often accused of being tradthots, are notable for feeling sympathetic toward incels. Many incels, however, see this as dishonest attempt at attention whoring. Some incels also claim that genuine tradcon women are even more hypergamous than feminists as they claim the tradcon women are exclusively looking for betabuxxers.There is some evidence for this assertion.[7] In fact, the wageslave role of men is so important to tradcon women, many men who like traditional work still feel constrained by this desire of tradcon women. Tradcon women were often bullied in their younger years, leading to them seeking out betabuxxers much earlier in their adult life. They see incels as overlooked betabuxxers, or, in other words, people who would be great at wageslaving for them while they sit on their ass, drink tea, and rant about feminism.

MRA criticism of tradcons[edit | edit source]

Proponents of traditional conservatism see their values' past success as indicators of future success, but critics of traditional conservatism see tradcon values as gynocentric, misandrist, and/or archaic. For example, some tradcons believe it is a men's duty to die in a war while not being entitled to a companion if he returns unscathed.

Alleged tradcon similarity to feminism[edit | edit source]

Traditionalists deal with criticism by shaming men, which bears striking resemblance to feminists. Just like feminists, they aim their insults almost exclusively at weak men and/or incels. Feminists will insult a man for being incel (aka not being able to sexually interest a woman enough for her to be around him) and "creepy" (i.e. ugly or unassertive). Tradcons will insult men who do not assert dominance (as "betas"), marcels, i.e. married men who fail to sexually satisfy their female partners, resulting in infidelity (as "cucks"[8]) alluding a cuckoldry where the man is so weak that he admits her wife the freedom to see other men. Traditional men tend to despise men who admit this freedom fearing once such behavior becomes normal, it would make it harder to mateguard their woman. Tradcons may also use the "cuck" and "beta" to insult white knights and other types of male feminist who display overly submissive and desperate behavior towards women.

A small but growing number of MGTOWs and MRAs have been complaining that their spaces have been overrun by trad-cons like Janet Bloomfield[9] or "enabling" tradcons, like Karen Straughan does (allegedly)[10][11], and that trad-cons are worse than feminists (which they also dislike) because they think trad-cons generally believe that men should exchange work for sex, and other 'anti-male' gender roles that put men in a slave-like position.

Notable Accusations of tradcons being white knights[edit | edit source]

Andrew DiKaiomata from Paul Elam's A Voice for Men wrote a lengthy post about how he thought tradcons were white knights, saying

"This last one is probably the biggest point to show how feminism overlaps with traditional conservatism. It screams both at the same time. “Save the women!,” “Fight for women!."

—Andrew DiKaiomata[12]

Paul Elam on tradcons[edit | edit source]

Prominent Republican-leaning MRA Paul Elam has also stated his opposition to trad-cons, despite hiring some radical trad-cons for his site. His hiring of trad-cons like Janet Bloomfield drawing him criticism from aformentioned MGTOWs and MRAs.

AVFM on tradcons[edit | edit source]

On polyamory/cucks/etc[edit | edit source]

In the conservative world, there are numerous harmful stereotypes floating about when it comes to sex. For starters, all men are not seen to be potential rapists but potential adulterers.

—Hestia, via A Voice for Men[13]

On stay at home wives[edit | edit source]

In the conservative world, the burden of work takes an even more troubling turn as woman are taught they have a right to stay home with their children and if their husband cannot afford to provide the standard of living that makes this necessary, then he is out of God's will, a sinner, or backslidden. When the talk turns to Titus 2 or other other verses used to support this women's right, there is not an admonishment to wives to be frugal, to be industrious and start a home business, a garden for cooking and canning, or so forth, just a strict requirement for men without a rule of cooperation on the part of women. Staying at home is simply her right, with no responsibility to aid the burden of breadwinning.

—Hestia, via A Voice for Men[14]

Other criticism of tradcons[edit | edit source]

Tradconism is cope[edit | edit source]

The claim that a return to traditional values can solve the problem of inceldom for most men is by some seen as a coping mechanism because there has always been a large underclass of males who have not reproduced.[15] There are similar trends in modern times, though the majority of men in Western societies become some sort of father, biological or step.[16]However D.N.A tests show the rate of cuckoldry (unknowingly raising another man's offspring), has rates of occurrence estimated between 0.8% to 30%.[17] For example, a father from some poor neighborhood can have as high as a 30% chance of the offspring being some other mans. Where as a wealthy father can have as low as a 0.8% chance of unknowingly raising some other mans offspring. These facts prove that even the wealthiest man is still at risk for being cucked. D.N.A studies have given a clearer view of the dating market. No one is safe, there is no relationship security. Basically returning to the past is pointless because the past did not actually have a better dating market for most men than times now. The past did however have better copes, such as legalized prostitution. Being a male whom does not reproduce is perfectly normal[18] , partly because men of the pre-modern era were often violently killed or perished to disease before they could even reach the age when they would be expected to marry, partly because of women's mate choice, and partly because of dominant men hoarding wealth and passing wealth on to first born/early born sons, leaving later sons with nothing, and other reasons as well.

Tradcons, critics suggest, suffer from selection bias due to their fathers, grandfathers, and or male ancestors in general, being wealthier or higher status than many other men of that era who failed to reproduce due to low status. A kind of regression toward the mean. Thus the tradcons believe if they were born in that time, they would be wealthier and or higher income than most other men as well. The reality is that most super-low-status men in said traditional societies still ended up incel.

A counter argument to this is that while sex used to be very unevenly distributed in the barbaric human past, it was more evenly distributed in certain societies of the past, particularly in the 18th century to the mid 20th century with strongly enforced monogamy. Most tradcons prefer returning to this state (reverting the sexual revolution) rather than underdeveloped, polygynous societies.

Anti-tradcon sites[edit | edit source]

References[edit | edit source]

  1. https://incels.co/threads/me-52m-just-found-out-at-least-4-of-my-5-children-33f-30f-28m-24f-14f-are-not-mine-wife-51f-wont-say-anything.115218/page-3#post-2959506
  2. https://incels.co/threads/germany-1950-was-an-incel-wet-dream.147144/#post-3085283
  3. https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135
  4. https://incels.co/threads/if-men-cant-be-protectors-providers-theyll-be-destroyers-deprivers.140942/
  5. https://incels.co/threads/being-anti-religion-is-not-only-contradictory-but-also-completely-anti-incels.146724
  6. https://thebaffler.com/salvos/new-man-4chan-nagle
  7. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513818300643
  8. Steven M. Platek and Todd K. Shackelford (Eds.), Female Infidelity and Paternal Uncertainty: Evolutionary Perspectives on Male Anti-Cuckoldry Tactics. Cambridge University Press: New York, 2006.
  9. https://mancheeze.wordpress.com/tag/judgybitch/
  10. https://promalecollective.wordpress.com/2019/01/05/proof-that-karen-straughan-is-anti-male-enabler-of-trad-con-nut-jobs/
  11. https://promalecollective.wordpress.com/2019/01/10/a-new-video-by-msv-calling-the-trad-con-karen-straughan-out
  12. https://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/all-feminist-are-tradcons/
  13. https://web.archive.org/web/20110212015917/http://www.avoiceformen.com:80/2011/01/27/conservative-misandry/
  14. https://web.archive.org/web/20110212015917/http://www.avoiceformen.com:80/2011/01/27/conservative-misandry/
  15. https://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/is-there-anything-good-about-men-and-other-tricky-questions/
  16. https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2019/06/16/apc-census-reveals-percentage-of-us-men-who-are-fathers/
  17. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212066116300047
  18. https://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/is-there-anything-good-about-men-and-other-tricky-questions/

See Also[edit | edit source]

Redpill

Game

GameNeggingSMVBeautyCharismaFashionBullyingLMSPUAAssholeTalk therapyIOIDominance hierarchyIODSocial circleSlayerN.L.P

Personality

CoolCharismaStoicAssholeNice guyAnxiousConfidentAsperger's SyndromeIQRationality

Pick Up Artists

Ross Jeffriesr/TRPReal Social DynamicsRooshVOwen CookPlayer SupremeWinston WuList of fraudulent people in the seduction community

Sexuality

HypergamyCasual sexPump and dumpRapeBetabuxReproductive successSex driveBateman's principleSexual conflictFeminine imperativeAdverse effects of inceldomMaslow's hierarchy of needsHomosexualityHomocel hypothesisDemographics of inceldomPolygynyFisherian runaway

Other theories

Timeless quotes on womenFemales are socially ineptWomen-are-wonderful effectGynocentrismPolitical correctness‎Virtue signalingApex fallacyClown worldFeminismSexual revolutionFemale hypoagencyFemale solipsismFemme fatale Halo effectAntifragilityTriggeredScientific BlackpillScientific Blackpill (Supplemental)

Blackpill

Philosophy

Biological essentialismTraditional conservatismFatalismBlackpillScientific BlackpillScientific Blackpill (Supplemental)Behavioral sinkHypergamyBeautyDominance hierarchy

Marriage

SlutMonogamyMarriagePolygynyPolyandrySexual sublimation

Anti-Lookism

LookismPuahate.com

Pills

BlackpillRacepillHeightpillDickpillBaldpillShitpillDogpill

It's over

Cope or ropeCopeLay down and rotRegression toward the meanInbreeding depressionOutbreeding depressionMutationAtavisms