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Submissive vs dominant dichotomy

Homosexuality is the sexual attraction to the same sex. This article primarily discusses the dominance signaling aspect of homosocial and homosexual behavior, the low-status aspect of submissive homosexuality, and also Muscarella's alliance formation hypothesis which claims incels can turn submissive homosexuals to regain access to group resources and reproductive success and higher status men can use submissive partners as sexual outlets and for other benefits (including dominance signaling).

This article only covers male homosexuality since lesbians seem to be of low significance for inceldom and society at large.[1] Lesbians seem to be mostly cute, foidish and often feminists.[2], and it may have been sexually selected behavior of men preferring their harem wives to get additional sexual pleasure from each other rather from other men to reduce chances of cuckoldry.[3] See also foid psychology.

Prevalence and legitimacy[edit | edit source]

Some forms of homoerotic behavior were accepted in 64% of the 76 cultures studied.[4] While bisexuality was very common in human history, men exclusively pursuing other men has probably always been weird due to how rare it was and still is. Despite high levels of gay acceptance,[5] only less than 2% of men identify as exclusively homosexual.[6] In much of Oceania, the Middle East, the Caribbean, Africa, and parts of Asia, homosexuality remains illegal and severely punishable, with some countries having a death penalty for it.[7][8]

Dominant vs submissive[edit | edit source]

Access to sex with women is negotiated by dominance status among men.[9][10] Men incapable of competing for women are likely rendered incels. Further, men are chronically horny because of women's lower sex drive, so the easiest way for male incels to get consenting sex is to offer their boypussy to other horny men. It has also been observed that peripheralized men (incels) can establish social ties with horny men of higher social standing by homosociality and re-gain access to resources, and thus increase chances of reproductive success.[11] Therefore, receptive/submissive gayness is associated with low status, and men can use accusations of gayness as means of intrasexual competition to impress women and intimidate other men. Omega males are of no use for betas, so betas exclude and bully them to foil any competitive threat that may arise.[12]

Below are historical examples of the prevalence of the dichotomy of dominant vs submissive homosexuality:

  • In Ancient Rome, gay sex was socially permissible among high status men who penetrated other men (the emperor Nero, for example, had a catamite which is a receptive homosexual slave, whom he had castrated),[13] but receptive homosexuals were deemed outlaws (infamia).[14] The Christian religion seemingly broke with Roman precedent by utterly condemning both forms of homosexuality, though Paul's condemnation of the act has been argued to reflect contemporary Roman ideas of the passive role being particularly shameful, as it places the receptive homosexual in the role of a woman.[15]
  • One striking historical example is the mass rape of Chinese male captives ordered by the Mongol Great Khan, Ogedei. Prior to the battle, the Chinese, thinking themselves secure with their superior numbers, boasted they would rape the Mongol's women after the battle. This was not an idle threat, as Mongol women often operated near the front lines in supportive roles. After the Mongol's victory, the Khan ordered that the thousands of Chinese captives should be sodomized to punish them for their impertinance. [16]
  • This type of thinking persists in modern modern times, for instance, homosexual rape (or the threat of it) is commonly used to emasculate rivals in prison (in addition to satisfaction of sexual frustration).[17] Authoritarian regimes have also made use of homosexual acts to torture and control dissidents, for example the inmates of prison camps in Pinochet era Chile were frequently sodomized by guards to break their will to resist.[18] Rape of male prisoners is still common in modern conflicts, for instance in the Civil War in the Democratic Republic of the Congo,[19] and the Bosnian civil war that occurred after the dissolution of Yugoslavia.[20][21] The Congolese men who were raped often reported being abandoned by their wives, who apparently coldly asserted that they were weak and therefore couldn't protect her. Many of the men who were raped in the former Yugoslavia claimed they were seen as outcasts in their own villages after the rapes.
  • There are reports of other middle-eastern cultures, such as war torn post-Gaddafi Libya, making common use of homosexual penetration or the penetration of subjugated men with objects as a means of diminishing the man's social status and will to resist his bondage.[22] Colonel Gaddafi himself was sodomized with a bayonet before being executed.[23] Another disgraced ruler that was dispatched in such a manner was King Edward II of England, a homosexual, who was claimed by some contemporary accounts to have been executed by having a heated poker shoved up his rectum, though this account has been hotly disputed.[24] Such acts also occurred during the First World War (the gang rape of Lawrence of Arabia by the Turks),[25] and the Syrian Civil War.[26] Arguably, the tale of Lot and the Sodomites in the Bible contains allusions to such behavior.[27]
  • Supporting the idea that homosexual penetration can serve to signal status (or to diminish the status of rivals) there is evidence that homosexual penetration of another man is, arguably, the ultimate act of domination.
  • The active-passive contrast in homosexuality was also prevalent in medieval Scandinavia and contemporary Latin America.[28] Pederasty, which is also an instance of homosexual power differentials, has flourished in many lower cultures, e.g. Indians of North America,[29] but also in a number of high cultures, including ancient Greece, medieval Islam (especially among Sufis), Japan (among the Samurai nobility), and Korea.[30]
  • Less violent forms of homoerotic behavior are arguably employed as signals of high status, for example Robison and Anderson from University of Winchester found that most highly confident and masculine men (sport athletes) do engage in homosocial tactility.[31][32]
  • In todays societies, only a dominant man can afford to playfully kiss another man on his cheek in public and hold hands with him, or one needs to claim the status of a protected class and rely on shaming to survive socially. The excessive partner counts of some homosexuals (see Statistics) may be evidence of sodomy as an adaptation for dominance signaling as achieving a high partner count is a form of dominance.

Today, most homosexuals identify as versatile, preferring both the dominant and submissive role at times,[33] but the entire notion of homosexual identity is plausibly evolutionarily novel, drawing in people to generally act out their sexual fantasies rather than adaptations in the context they evolved. The entire notion of a fixed sexual identity has been questioned by a recent meta study, rather orientation changes over time and exists on a continuum and 98% of people primarily want sex with the opposite sex.[34] Gay men identifying as the bottom are more likely later in the birth order which so it may be related to weakness and mutational load.[35]

Evolution[edit | edit source]

Male homosexuality is more prevalent than what selection-mutation balance regarding androphilia and gynophilia (attraction to men and women, respectively) would predict.[36] Homosexuality and gender non-conformity is somewhat heritable,[37][38] all of which suggests homosexuality is an adaptation, i.e. that it increased reproductive success in the past.

Alliance formation and dominance signaling[edit | edit source]

The passive and active roles in homosexuality may explain the otherwise maladaptive attraction to other men (androphilia) and the prevalence of homosexuality. The penetratee can potentially regain access to resources also increasing his chances of reproductive success (alliance formation theory),[39] and the penetrator can signal dominance which is especially conductive to male reproductive success.

Other hypotheses[edit | edit source]

  • Gay genes
  • Genes predisposing to homosexuality conferring advantage in heterosexuals, a kin selection effect, social prestige.
  • An increase in fecundity in the females related to the homosexual (feminine) genes from (related to selection-mutation balance).
  • Homosexuality being a medical pathology often caused by developmental disturbances
  • Pathogenic Theory of Homosexuality
  • Helper in the nest hypothesis claims that gay males tend to help in the household increasing the reproductive success of siblings,[40] however homosexuals do not actually seem to exhibit more kinship behavior.[41]

Homophobia[edit | edit source]

Homophobia is the fear of being socially excluded for being regarded as gay. It is the fear that other men destroy one's reputation of one's willingness and ability to compete for women. Sexless beta or omega males (incels) hence avoid physical closeness to other men to avoid being seen as gay. On the other hand, men who have already proven their competitive ability to get a woman, feel more relaxed around gays, especially since this can even act as a costly signal of their status.

Another hypothesis is that gays are avoided and excluded because they are seen as ineffective coalition partners when competing for women.[42] However historical male warrior societies like Sparta (mannerbund concept being typically correlated with homosexuality, see also the Stumabteilung (SA) in Nazi Germany, which was riddled with homosexuality, including the leader of the SA, Ernst Röhm, before the leadership was purged during the Night of the Long Knives) and Thebes (the legendary Theban band, made up solely of male homosexual couples) seem to seem to challenge the theory that homophobia results from poorer male group cohesion.

An alternate hypothesis claims that homophobia is not mediated by homosexual men being poorer coalition partners, but is instead caused by friction between men who seek to forge coalitions based on competence and accrual of resources vs men who forge alliances based on intimate homosexual relationships.[43]

Inceldom and homophobia[edit | edit source]

Many incels feel unease around men because they cannot demonstrate any heterosexual experience or ability to impress women and outcompete other men whatsoever, so they fear the male intrasexual competition of being accused of gayness. As a result incels often very vocally express their anti-gay views to avoid being seen gay.

Repressed homosexuality[edit | edit source]

A common feminist claim is that male homophobes often have repressed homosexual impulses, which seems to have been indicated by phallometry.[44] The reason homophobes need to signal this is rather because they lack social and sexual status otherwise that would allow them to act out their homosocial impulses without risking being vulnerable to male intrasexually competitive gossip, also a result of living in a highly competitive environment or one that is heavily concerned about shame and honor. The feminist insinuation is mislead by the notion that androphily would primarily be a separate sexual identity, when in truth it is primarily an accessory that is conductive to male reproductive success in heterosexual males.

Gay acceptance and homosocial intimacy[edit | edit source]

There is much historical evidence that intimacy between heterosexual males has declined with the acceptance of homosexuals. For example it used to be not uncommon for heterosexual men to exchange love letters:

You know my desire to befriend you is everlasting, that I will never cease, while I know how to do any thing.

—Lincoln to his friend Joshua Speed

I wish, my Dear Laurens, it m[ight] be in my power, by action rather than words, [to] convince you that I love you.

—Hamilton to John Laurens

Further, heterosexual men in Western countries used to hold hands, and boys used to cuddle more often.[45] John Ibson documented this change with hundreds of photos taken throughout the past century.[46] More homosocial behavior can also be found in contemporary cultures that ban male homosexuality, e.g. it is not uncommon to see men holding hands in Saudi-Arabia. Such homosocial behavior plausibly acts as costly dominance signals as well, in a sense, playing with fire and signaling high confidence in one's ability to attract a woman and to thwart insults to one's heterosexual reputation.

Explanations include that the expectation that men can be gay increases the fear that other men could be gay and thus male intimacy could lead to a greater risk of being regarded as gay (male intrasexual competition). Also decreasing gender segregation may have increased male intrasexual competition.[47]

Statistics[edit | edit source]

Even though kids of homosexuals do not fare much worse (which may be evidence of resilience),[48] one can observe astonishing grievances in homosexual communities:

  • An Australian "gay census" found that over a quarter of male homosexuals reported having over 100 sexual partners.[49]
  • An Australian national phone survey project found even higher numbers, 10-15% reported >1000 sexual partners.[50] Accordingly, the mean number of sex partners is also very high for male homosexuals compared to male heterosexuals (16.7 vs 56.9).[51]
  • 66% of men and women who were homosexual change their orientation to heterosexual five years later. 99.8% of lesbian, gay and bisexual teens will change their sexual orientation within 13 years.[52]
  • Between 24% and 90% of lesbians report being psychologically abused by their partners.[53][54]
  • Lesbians are twice as likely as straight women to be stalked or physically abused by their partners.[55]
  • Homosexuals have 39% greater odds of being left-handed", a marker for mutational load.[56]
  • Homosexuals are more likely than straight people to have anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, and to commit suicide.[57]
  • Gay men are 10-15 times more likely than straight men to have eating disorders, are more likely to suffer from anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder and account for 63% of new syphilis cases.[58]
  • 40% to 60% of serial killers are homosexuals.[59]
  • Homosexual men are more likely to have been abused by their partners than straight men.[60]
  • Monogamy is not a central feature of most homosexual relationships.[61]
  • Married homosexual men are 50% more likely than straight couples to divorce.[62]
  • In the Netherlands, the average homosexual in a “steady relationship” has seven to eight affairs per year.[63]
  • Over 20% of older homosexuals have had more than 500 different sex partners.[64]
  • The average gay man has several dozen sex partners per year.[65]
  • 28% of homosexuals have had sex with over a thousand men. For straight men? Just 25% have had sex with more than 10 women.[66]
  • Most “long term relationships” between gay men last less than eight years.[67]
  • Among gay Canadian men in “committed relationships, only 25% were monogamous.[68]
  • In one study, only 9% of gay men were monogamous.[69]
  • 75% of straight men an are faithful, compared to just 4.5% of gay men.[70]
  • In Berlin, 83% of gay men in “steady” relationships had had frequent affairs in the last year.[71]
  • Infection rates for gonorrhea and chlamydia are increasing among active homosexual men.[72]
  • Gay men, 1% of the population, account for 83% of syphilis cases.[73]
  • Syphilis was almost eradicated, but made a comeback among homosexual men.[74]
  • Active homosexual men are 17 times more likely than straight people to have anal cancer.[75]
  • Lesbians are 2.5x more likely than straight women to be obese.[76]
  • Lesbians are twice as likely as straight women to have eating disorders.[77]
  • Lesbians are twice as likely as straight women to be stalked or physically abused by their partners.[78]
  • Married lesbians are 2-3 times more likely to divorce than straight couples.[79]
  • Homosexuals, lesbians, and transsexuals are poorer than straight people.[80]
  • America has spent $700 million promoting gay rights abroad – an “integral” part of American foreign policy.[81]
  • Claims that gay parents are just as capable of raising children as straight parents are misrepresented.[82]
  • Between 24% and 90% of lesbians report being psychologically abused by their partners.[83]
  • Gay men are 60x more likely to have HIV than straight men.[84]
  • 46% of male homosexuals report being molested, as compared to only 7% of heterosexual men.[85]
  • Gays are more likely than straight people to have mental illness.[86]
  • 1/4 gay men in America have had over 1000 sex partners.[87]
  • 43% of gay men have over 500 partners.[88]
  • Gay men are six times more likely to commit suicide than straight men.[89]
  • Gay men are 12x more likely to use amphetamines than straight men.[90]
  • Gay men are 10x more likely to use heroin than straight men.[91]
  • Liberal arguments in favor of homosexuality are based on logical fallacies.[92]
  • 10 to 15 percent of older homosexuals have more than 1000 sex partners.[93]
  • Gay people are 2-3x more likely to abuse alcohol than straight people.[94]
  • Up to 50% of lesbians have reported sexual abuse.[95]
  • 79% of homosexual men say over half of their sex partners are strangers.[96]
  • 99.8% of lesbian, gay and bisexual teens will change their sexual orientation within 13 years.[97]
  • Two-thirds of men and women who were homosexual change their orientation to heterosexual five years later.[98]
  • Two thirds of self-identified lesbians later have heterosexual relationships.[99]
  • Identifying as lesbian, gay or bisexual does not end sexual questioning or confusion.[100]
  • One in eight gay men in London has HIV.[101]
  • Gay men are twice as likely as straight men to be in interracial relationships.[102]
  • In Australia, 25% of homosexuals have had more than 100 sex partners.[103]
  • Gay men, who are 1.65% of the US population, account for 63% of the country’s syphilis cases.[104]
  • In 2010, homosexuals were about 200 times more likely than everyone else to be diagnosed with HIV.[105]
  • Gay men are 15 times more likely to have Hepatitis B than everyone else.[106]
  • Homosexuals are more to use illegal drugs and drink to excess than straight people.[107]
  • While comprising only 2% of the country, homosexuals account for over 67% of all new HIV diagnoses, the risk of becoming infected being ~100 times higher than the US average.[108]
  • Male gays are only slightly more often pedophiles,[109] but of those who go as far as molesting a child, a third are homosexuals.[110]

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GameNeggingSMVBeautyCharismaFashionBullyingLMSPUAAssholeTalk therapyIOIDominance hierarchyIODSocial circleSlayerN.L.P


CoolCharismaStoicAssholeNice guyAnxiousConfidentAsperger's SyndromeIQRationality

Pick Up Artists

Ross Jeffriesr/TRPReal Social DynamicsRooshVOwen CookPlayer SupremeWinston WuList of fraudulent people in the seduction community


HypergamyCasual sexPump and dumpRapeBetabuxReproductive successSex driveBateman's principleSexual conflictFeminine imperativeAdverse effects of inceldomMaslow's hierarchy of needsHomosexualityHomocel hypothesisDemographics of inceldomPolygynyFisherian runaway

Other theories

Timeless quotes on womenFemales are socially ineptWomen-are-wonderful effectGynocentrismPolitical correctness‎Virtue signalingApex fallacyClown worldFeminismSexual revolutionFemale hypoagencyFemale solipsismHalo effectAntifragilityTriggeredScientific BlackpillScientific Blackpill (Supplemental)