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"It's a lie! Women want sex too!!"

Libido or sex drive refers to the strength of sexual motivation. Most evidence suggests men's sex drive is on average higher than women's. This page intends to gather scientific and anecdotal evidence in support of this notion.

Counter-arguments often resort to cultural explanations, such as female trepidation pertaining to slut-shaming and physical strength differences leading to male violence against promiscuous women, but these counter-arguments are challenged by evidence of higher male sexual motivation in homosexuals and differences in masturbation frequency, as well as by cross-cultural replications.

Social psychologist Professor Roy Baumeister from Princeton University wrote about the male sex drive:

Across many different studies and measures, men have been shown to have more frequent and more intense sexual desires than women, as reflected in spontaneous thoughts about sex, frequency and variety of sexual fantasies, desired frequency of intercourse, desired number of partners, masturbation, liking for various sexual practices, willingness to forego sex, initiating versus refusing sex, making sacrifices for sex, and other measures. No contrary findings (indicating stronger sexual motivation among women) were found. Hence we conclude that the male sex drive is stronger than the female sex drive.[1]

Given the mismatch between men's and women's desires, most men are doomed to experience chronic sexual frustration. […] They are doomed to be horny.[2]

Synopsis: Anyone who says women (on average) have an equally high libido as men, they're not only bluepilling you, but they're gaslighting you.

Overview[edit | edit source]

The vast majority of evidence points to higher sex drive in men, in fact in a survey paper, Baumeister (2001) found that "no findings indicated that women had a stronger sex drive than men on any measure".

Often times it is hard to tell apart the promiscuity-choosiness dimension and overall frequency and strength of sexual desire. A promiscuous (non-choosy) mater will likely engage in lots of sex even if their mating preferences are not fulfilled. Since women are choosy maters, their libido may be higher if they would all be partnered with a high SMV men, though likely not higher than men's because there are many findings that men's libido is higher when mate choice does not matter (e.g. masturbation). Women's greater choosiness may also result in them getting bored with sex sooner, so one overall observes men being much more likely to initiate and want sex.

Baumeister (2001) also notes that sex differences in sex drive do not transfer to related drives such as extrinsically motivated sex e.g. by the wish for a baby (which is sometimes reported higher in women), nor to orgasmic capacity (higher in women), nor to enjoyment of sex.

The sex difference in libido can be explained by evolutionary psychology in terms of Bateman's principle.

Evidence for higher male libido[edit | edit source]

Anaphrodisiacs[edit | edit source]

Tobacco is a powerful anaphrodisiac. It is also one of the most commonly used anaphrodisiacs. But it is mostly used by men, and in countries such as Nauru and Kiribati, smokers constitute roughly half of all adults.[3] Since the prevalence of this anaphrodisiac is so high, and since its usage inclines mostly male, it may mask the actual average libido of men, which without such prevalence tobacco usage would be higher.

Anatomy[edit | edit source]

Women get less out of penovaginal sex than men since their primary erogenous zone isn't even in the vagina. Its outside of it on the clitoris.

Asexuality[edit | edit source]

A 204 study by Anthony F. Bogaert found that there were proportionally more female asexuals than male asexuals. The study also found that male bisexuals and homosexuals outnumbered their male asexual counterparts. This sexual orientation was reversed for women, where female asexuals outnumbered their bi and lesbian counterparts.[4]

Abstinence vows[edit | edit source]

According to professor of psychology Roy F Baumeister, catholic priests have a more difficult time keeping vows of chastitty than their female counterparts, nuns.[5]

Allosexuality vs demisexuality[edit | edit source]

Human sexuality has the two major inclinations of allosexuality and demisexuality. The former is the more roughneck of the two that is more focused on sex, whilst the latter combines emotional attachment to sex. According to Jenni Skyler, (Ph.D sexologist), demisexuality is a primarily female trait.[6]

Cross-cultural differences[edit | edit source]

Sex drive and sociosexuality (casual sex) showed consistent sex differences across 53 nations (mean d = .62, and d = .74 respectively). Gender empowerment measures correlated with sociosexuality, but were uncorrelated with sex drive.[7]

Dead bedroom complaint[edit | edit source]

Women have a 12% higher rate of sexual dysfunction within relationships than men.[8] Women also become disinterested with sex much sooner than men.[9] And men are more than three times as likely to initiate sex in stable relationships.[10]

Deferral of sex (coyness)[edit | edit source]

Women are more reluctant to have sex immediately, a tendency which can be seen in many female animals explained by female overall choosiness. Among fresh couples, men desired sex earlier in a relationship (M 28% vs W 3% were "reluctant virgins" in such relationships).[11] Cohen and Shotland (1996) computed correlations between when people thought sex should start and when they actually began having sex. For the men, the correlation was not significant (r = .19), which implies they had no say, whereas for women the correlation was very high (r = .88). Moreover, women rarely initiate, and hence get to choose. Hence it is likely that women cause this pattern somewhat more than men.[12] All of these results are evidence of Briffault's law.

Women's waiting and reluctance to mate is called coyness. It has been proposed that women use this behavior to evaluate the man's suitability as provider (McNamara 2008, Wachtmeister 1999),[13][14] but also to ensure that there is still an opportunity for a better mating opportunities arise in the meanwhile.

Disorders[edit | edit source]

Frigidity / Hyposexuality[edit | edit source]

A higher rate of women than men suffer from frigidity/hyposexuality, meaning you lack sexual desire. Women have higher rates of SAD (sexual aversive disorder) and HSDD (hyposexual desire disorder). Whereas 32% of women lack interest in sex for several months of the year, only 15% of men reported the same.[15]

In 2010, Brotto discussed the prevalence of HSDD among women. Data suggests 34% of women between the ages of 18 and 74 experienced decreased sexual interest often or most of the time. In contrast, Vansintejan, Janssen, Van De Vijver, Vandevoorde, and Devroey (2013) reported an estimated 15% of the general male population experienced HSDD

—Theravive[16]

The frequency of hypoactive sexual desire disorder (HSDD) and the frequency of comorbidity of sexual disorders was recorded from a total population of 906 subjects studied in a multisite pharmaceutical study. Sixty-five percent had a primary diagnosis of HSDD. HSDD was far more common in females than male subjects. Males diagnosed with HSDD were significantly older than women diagnosed with HSDD.

—Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder: Prevalence and Comorbidity in 906 Subjects, Rt Segraves 2008

In 1999, The National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS) assessed sexual functioning among men and women in the U.S. The survey reported that 43% of women experienced some type of sexual dysfunction compared to only 31% of men. In women, the most common complaint was low sexual desire (22%) (Laumann et al, 1999). In 2005, The Global Study of Sexual Attitudes and Behaviors (GSSAB) found similar results in a larger-scaled international survey of sexual problems among men and women 40 to 80 years of age. The GSSAB found that 26% to 43% of women experienced low sexual desire compared to 13% to 28% of men (Gingell et al., 2005).

—The Causes and Prevalence of Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder: Part I, Feldhaus-Dahir, Melissa 2009

Hypersexuality / nymphomania[edit | edit source]

In November 2016 Janna A. Dickenson, did a University of Minnesota study on compulsive sexual behavior disorder on 2,325 adults between 18 and 50 yo. It found that 3% more men than women were affected by the condition at 10 and 7 percent respectively.[17]

Erotic massage[edit | edit source]

Whereas female clients outnumber male clients at several ordinary spa massages, including the UK and Australia, at rates of more than two thirds[18][19], once the venue is of a sexual nature you see a flip, with male clients outnumbering female clients.[20]

Faking it[edit | edit source]

Some studies have shown that women who overtly claim to be straight, are shown to be otherwise.[21] Studies have also shown a mismatch between verbally claimed female arousal, and devices such as vaginal photoplethysmographs which measure physical manifestations of their arousal (such as grool or blood flow).[22]

Love-shy forums[edit | edit source]

Masturbation[edit | edit source]

A study on Swedish high school seniors report (Driemeyer et al., 2017) found that boys masturbated at a rate of roughly 98.9% whilst girls did at a rate of 85.5%. This is a sex difference of about d = 1.2. There are similar sex differences among adults with males doing it more frequently than women, in all age ranges.[23] A study by Niklas Langstrom in 2006 found that 65% of men had masturbated in the past month compared with 39% of women (d = .66).[24] Even in steady heterosexual relationships, men masturbate 4 times as often as women, mainly due to differences in sex drive (masturbation frequency M 2.02±5.37 vs W 0.51±0.92).[25] In the past 45 years, the sex difference in masturbation frequency has also not changed despite women's masturbation having become socially acceptable, arguably even more acceptable than men's (M 5.1, F 1.4, N = 237 boys, N = 76 girls).[26] The onset of masturbation also shows a difference with male onset of masturbation occurring more than a year earlier, (age 12.5) vs (13.7).[citation needed] Males were more likely to fantasize whilst masturbating and orgasming.[citation needed]

Homosexuals[edit | edit source]

Gay males[edit | edit source]

According to Baumeister (2001), gay men have more sex than their lesbian counterparts at all stages of relationships, whether the beginning, middle or end.[27]

Lesbians[edit | edit source]

Lesbians, which constitute an all-female pairing, have no pregnancy to fear. Regardless, they were "inclined toward even less promiscuous lives than heterosexual women".[28] Completely 'dead bedrooms' are anecdotally particularly frequent in lesbian relationships.

Lesbian bed death[edit | edit source]

Lesbian bed death, also abbreviated to LBD, refers to the lack of sexual intimacy between lesbian couples in long-term relationships. It is a commonly reported phenomenon which adds credence to the notion that women have a lower libido than men on average.

Grooling vs erections[edit | edit source]

The most reliable indication of female sexual arousal is whether she's grooling. The male counterpart for most reliable indicator of arousal is the erection. Not only do men more frequently get erections than women grool, the average man feels that an erection is more of a critical situation than women feel about grooling, as the latter is more easy to hide than the former, thus aligning with etiquette more.

Porn consumption[edit | edit source]

At the largest porn site in the world, Pornhub, as of 2018, an average of 29% of its visitors were female, while 71% were male.[29]

Porn conventions[edit | edit source]

Most visitors to porn conventions are male.[30]

Prostitution[edit | edit source]

The clients of female sex workers are overwhelmingly male. Even the clients of male prostitutes are usually male.[31]

Women pay for sex only extremely rarely, e.g. from a Swiss survey 30% of men, but none of the one thousand women have paid for sex.[32][33]

In the US one finds 13.8% of men, but only 1.9% of women have ever paid for sex.[34]

In Australia, about 15% of men, but only very few women have ever paid for sex (0.1%).[35]

Susceptibility to seduction[edit | edit source]

In both studies, men succumbed to the sexual temptations more than women, and this sex difference emerged because men experienced stronger impulses, not because they exerted less intentional control.

—Sex Differences in Succumbing to Sexual Temptations: A Function of Impulse or Control? Natasha D. Tidwell, 2013

Sexbots[edit | edit source]

Sexbots have been described by some analysts as a development stemming from a sex deficit. According to Catherine Hakim, males experiences the greater sex deficit.[36] A survey in Germany found that men were more than twice as likely as women to be interested in having sex with a sexbot.[37]

Sexual disgust[edit | edit source]

Women have a much higher sexual disgust, which can apart from shielding against rape by ugly men, be seen as an adaptation in response to their higher susceptibility to STDs due to the pocket shape of their external sex organs.[citation needed]

Sexual regret[edit | edit source]

Men are eight times as likely to regret passing up casual sex (28.9% M, 3.6% W).[38]

Sexual fantasies, thoughts and cognitions[edit | edit source]

According to a trial by Fisher (2012), published in the Journal of Sex Research, men think about sex on average 34 times a day, whilst women thought about it 19 times a day, i.e. men on average think 1.8 times as often about sex.[39] A Kinsey Institute study found that 54% of men think about sex daily (or several times daily), while only 19% of women did the same, though the result by Fisher is more reliable because it was counted with a tally counter.[40]

Provided that men have a much more active love style, and men rather approach women than vice-versa, it can be assumed that men think more about how to get sex, whereas women think about whom to choose as a partner and how to avoid unwanted partners.[citation needed]

Self-reports[edit | edit source]

The following were self-reported levels of libido from an ethnically varied sample of 676 women and men.

... men reported experiencing a higher overall level of sexual desire than did women. Sex differences also were found with respect to frequency of sexual desire. Men reported experiencing sexual desire more often than did women and, when asked to estimate the actual frequency with which they experienced desire, men's estimated frequency (37 times per week) was significantly higher than women's (9 times per week).

—Sex Differences and Similarities in Frequency and Intensity of Sexual Desire, Authors: Regan, Pamela C.; Atkins, Leah 2006

Smartphone apps[edit | edit source]

Borderline sexually suggestive content on smartphone apps have usages at up to 73% male.[41]

Social experiment[edit | edit source]

Experimental vlogs[edit | edit source]

There were street social experiments made by the Youtube channel whatever. Here a reasonably attractive man and woman each asked members of the opposite sex for a hook-up under similar conditions. The woman received 30 yes's, 70 no's, while the guy got 0 yes's and 100 no's.[42]

Controlled environment[edit | edit source]

One study on a college campus by conventionally attractive people asked students the following question "I've been noticing you around campus and I think you're attractive. Would you like to go to bed with me tonight?" Among the male respondents, more than three quarters said yes, whilst none of the female respondents said yes.[43]

Statistics[edit | edit source]

According to statistics, women are happier being single than being married or partnered up,[44] even though being single in general results in less overall sex.[45]

Status drive and risk taking[edit | edit source]

Men are more status driven, e.g. men are more likely to help if helping is considered a heroic act (d = .75) and enjoy competition more (d = .8).

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/23096146.pdf

https://www.gwern.net/docs/iq/2014-hyde.pdf

Boys and young men have a higher mortality rate than girls due to fatal accidents, risk taking etc.[citation needed]

Tantric[edit | edit source]

As of 2019, in the capitalist free-market city of Berlin, the birthplace of tantric massages, the venues for the male version (20)[46], lingam massages, outnumbers the venues for the female version, yoni massages (6), by 14 places.[47]

Transgender[edit | edit source]

Self-reports by transgender people indicates that FtM increases libido, whilst MtF decreases libido.[48][49]

The administration of androgens to females was clearly associated with an increase in aggression proneness, sexual arousability and spatial ability performance. In contrast, it had a deteriorating effect on verbal fluency tasks. The effects of cross-sex hormones were just as pronounced in the male-to-female group upon androgen deprivation: anger and aggression proneness, sexual arousability and spatial ability decreased, whereas verbal fluency improved.

—Gender differences in behaviour: activating effects of cross-sex hormones. Van Goozen SH, 1995

Transmen[edit | edit source]

Women who have transitioned to men (transwomen) have reported a higher libido in comparison to their sex drives when they were women.[50]

Transwomen[edit | edit source]

The reverse is the case for transwomen. For transwomen, their libido decreases as they transition to becoming a woman.[51]

Testosterone[edit | edit source]

The primary sex hormone for both men and women is testosterone. The reference range for testosterone levels among men is between 300 to 900 ng/dl and for women, the range is much lower at 12 to 60 ng/dl.[52]

Violent snapping[edit | edit source]

Contribution of libido to male violence[edit | edit source]

There are far more known cases of violently lashing out at sexlessness in men than in women through methods such as suicide. There are rare female exceptions such as Christine Chubbuck in 1974. Men on the other hand regularly kill themselves as a by-product of not being able to get laid; such as Wilkes McDermid.

Eastern world[edit | edit source]

All you need to do to see how insane the male libido can be is looking at the 72 virgin stereotype, of Muslim men who engage in a suicidal military mission for the purpose of eventually making it to heaven in order to get sex with attractive women from another dimension. History books and even show aggrandized versions of this killing-one-self-for-celestial-pleasures, where at times entire army units enter the fray.

In more modern times, a particularly pertinent example of such incentives being particularly salient to young men who join terrorist organizations is the case of the Palestinian terrorist group Black September (most well known for slaughtering members of the Israeli Olympics teams at the 1972 Munich Olympic games, after a horrendously botched hostage rescue operation by the West German police.)

When this organizations violent deeds started to become a liability to their overlords, the Palestinian political party Fatah, it was decided that the group had to be liquidated. Due to the organizations (Black September's) bloodthirsty nature and the suicidal courage of its footsoldiers, it was decided that instead of killing them, a better plan to disband the group was needed. [53]

Specifically, the members (the group was all male) were given semi-arranged (Fatah basically played match-maker) marriages with 'attractive young women', and a (fairly modest) stipend of money, with further incentives;including a larger sum of money and an apartment if they agreed to marrying the women, to buy them off and allow them to provide for their new brides.

Given that with these marriages in place, the members now had 'something to lose' by continuing with their terrorist activities, this plan was remarkably effective at dissolving the organization.

Thus, demonstrating that one of the strongest motivations for men to join such groups is the state of inceldom or at least strong sexual frustration, at least subconsciously (possibly being rooted in evolutionary biology.)

This does not of course mean that that inceldom makes its sufferers inherently violent, but perhaps those prone to violence will see such proclivities enhanced by sexually frustration, and it is clear that the male libido is so strong it will make some men go to extreme lengths in an attempt to satiate its demands.

Video chats[edit | edit source]

Webcamming[edit | edit source]

Most visitors to webcamming sites dedicated to stripteasing and dirty talk are male.[54]

Willingness to face jail[edit | edit source]

There is a sentencing disparity in western legal systems whereby men face stiffer legal penalties for sex crimes. Sentences are longer and male prisons are more dangerous, especially for sex offenders who need protective custody, at times facing guards who “turn a blind eye”. Despite this measure of amplified male ruin for committing crimes, male sex offenders outnumber female sex offenders in every underage category, from pedophilic, hebephilic and ephebophilic offenses.[55] Male offenders also outnumber female offenders in forced acts of intercourse with an adult who refused, with the US Bureau of Justice Statistics claiming that 99% of rapists are male.[56] Other crimes such as incest show similar disparities, with 90 to 97% of convicted incestuals in the USA being male.[57]

Workload[edit | edit source]

Its common knowledge that one of the biggest killers of the libido is a large workload. Occupations that involve physically strenuous tasks (such as construction work) are largely an emblem of male-dominated professions. This indicates that there may be a large untapped reserves of libido that remains masked due to the fact that this energy and testosterone is being diverted to jettison onto wagecuck endeavours.

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