User talk:William

Holy fucking shit

I never imagined i would meet so many pathetic people together, but this might be the most impressive case of all. A bunch of losers claiming that it'ssociety's and female's fault that you can't have sex. Really? Dude, let me put something straight here: No one is entitled to you. No one has moral obligations on fucking with you, because that implies sex is a necessity. Learn something: Sex and relationships are something that happens naturally when two or more people love each other. The idea that a "androgynous gift economy" is something that has any basis, nevermind would work (What the fuck does that even mean?) is not only idiotic, but outright laughable. Really, get some fucking help. I don't hate you. I pity your existence and the fact that you have wrapped yourself in a bubble thinking that you will never have sex (Or worse, the idea that you morally REQUIRE sex) just because you are ugly.

Oh, and the incel community is "harmless?" Really? How cute. Tell that to these guys: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Incel#Notable_suicides_and_homicides . By the very nature of inceldom of blaming society and on the fallacious idea that "chads" are the only ones who have sex (And that you morally require it) is just pathetic.

Will your the crazyest man i've ever met in my life. L.A.R.P.I.N.G. as an angry commentor on yur own post Lmfao. What random angry, normal person is gonna use perfect wikipedia syntax? Hilarious Mikey (talk) 00:03, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

That is not my writing pls and thank you. People check the recentchanges of our wiki and comment on it. 2804:431:d71d:e1d8:ad6b:1413:513b:84c4 is not my IP and I never use VPNs. THey didn't use perfect syntax, they spammed it 3 times, and put it at the top of the page, and didn't sign it. Although it appears to be someone fairly familiar with rationalwiki. There's been a barrage of hostile IP edits which I've been letting through because they are amusing.William (talk) 00:29, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Holy fucking shit

I never imagined i would meet so many pathetic people together, but this might be the most impressive case of all. A bunch of losers claiming that it'ssociety's and female's fault that you can't have sex. Really? Dude, let me put something straight here: No one is entitled to you. No one has moral obligations on fucking with you, because that implies sex is a necessity. Learn something: Sex and relationships are something that happens naturally when two or more people love each other. The idea that a "androgynous gift economy" is something that has any basis, nevermind would work (What the fuck does that even mean?) is not only idiotic, but outright laughable. Really, get some fucking help. I don't hate you. I pity your existence and the fact that you have wrapped yourself in a bubble thinking that you will never have sex (Or worse, the idea that you morally REQUIRE sex) just because you are ugly.

Oh, and the incel community is "harmless?" Really? How cute. Tell that to these guys: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Incel#Notable_suicides_and_homicides . By the very nature of inceldom of blaming society and on the fallacious idea that "chads" are the only ones who have sex (And that you morally require it) is just pathetic.

Will your the crazyest man i've ever met in my life. L.A.R.P.I.N.G. as an angry commentor on yur own post Lmfao. What random angry, normal person is gonna use perfect wikipedia syntax? Hilarious Mikey (talk) 00:04, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Holy fucking shit

I never imagined i would meet so many pathetic people together, but this might be the most impressive case of all. A bunch of losers claiming that it'ssociety's and female's fault that you can't have sex. Really? Dude, let me put something straight here: No one is entitled to you. No one has moral obligations on fucking with you, because that implies sex is a necessity. Learn something: Sex and relationships are something that happens naturally when two or more people love each other. The idea that a "androgynous gift economy" is something that has any basis, nevermind would work (What the fuck does that even mean?) is not only idiotic, but outright laughable. Really, get some fucking help. I don't hate you. I pity your existence and the fact that you have wrapped yourself in a bubble thinking that you will never have sex (Or worse, the idea that you morally REQUIRE sex) just because you are ugly.

Oh, and the incel community is "harmless?" Really? How cute. Tell that to these guys: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Incel#Notable_suicides_and_homicides . By the very nature of inceldom of blaming society and on the fallacious idea that "chads" are the only ones who have sex (And that you morally require it) is just pathetic.

Will your the crazyest man i've ever met in my life. L.A.R.P.I.N.G. as an angry commentor on yur own post Lmfao. What random angry, normal person is gonna use perfect wikipedia syntax? Hilarious Mikey (talk) 00:05, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Discord invite

Hello there. I got banned from Discord (from the entire service), so I lost your ID and I don't have an invite to your server. I'm starting fresh, I made a new account. Do you mind sending me an invite or your user ID? - BlackPillBlackBelt (talk) 02:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Incel wiki server link is on the front page where it says create an account, I am @william in there. William (talk) 02:24, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Oh sorry, the invite is invalid, lemee make a new one, one sec. William (talk) 02:25, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Here is our server https://discord.gg/RjBJZH6 William (talk) 02:26, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

PUA stuff

You are a moron. The true incel behind the computer bashing guys that know what they are talking about. You cant get a woman, so you cry and whine on wiki about men that do. Pathetic.. These techniques work and i have used them successfully to sleep with more women in a week than you have in your sad little life. Get a life loser.

Incelosphere timeline

Reverse timeline would be nice! --5.83.136.21 10:14, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Template:Wikimannia

The Template is working. If Wikimannia has a different article name than use variable lemma=differentarticlename ! ;-) --5.83.136.21 03:01, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

People have been requesting a copy of The Loser Manifesto

which is a piece about neetdom. It seems to be one of my more popular essays. 2601:5CD:C000:21E3:104B:995E:6739:DAE6 22:09, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Dark World

Keep my channel off here idoit. Seriously. I dont want my dark world channel connected here

If you look at the page history, you will see that I did not write that article. Many people write for this wiki. However, the article is now removed and protected against recreation. I don't know who you are, but I hope you have a nice day.William (talk) 16:18, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hypergamy

First off all, your locking is not very nice, to say the least. You are not even letting me respond on the talk page which is locked too, so I have to do it here. Anyhow, let me go through your points one by one:

You wrote: "Previous version insinuated female monopoly on sex is due to a natural desire for men to provide for women".

You've quite frankly misread what I wrote. I wrote "men naturally provide resources to women", not that they desire to do so. And of course this is a modeling assumption in the two papers I linked, because otherwise women would not need to consider men's resources at all, and men would not be able to "sell" them in exchange for exclusive access to sex. This is even stated in the second paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016748701630277X "Human males are essentially unique among primate species in providing resources for their offspring, let alone for the mothers of those offspring (van Creveld, 2013)."

Bibipi (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

You wrote: "IRL relationships, while increasingly unequal, do not follow a pareto distribution and there's nothing you source that suggests so. 80/20 refers to online dating and even then it's not consistently 80/20. Peterson lectures do not count as reliable sources for this sort of tihng. [...] pseudo-religious"

First off, the changes you are referring to are more than a month old and they replaced way worse stuff. 80/20 on in these OkCupid ratings have nothing to do with hypergamy per se, but it's female choosiness (which is a cause for hypergamy). The fact that women rated 80% below medium from that delete blog post is just coincidentally similar to 80/20 and has nothing directly to do with a Pareto distribution. Hence misleading. Bibipi (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Secondly, "Matthew effect" has apart from the etymology and the fact that JP made some pseudo-scientific claims about it, nothing to do with religion, see yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect. Admittedly, this was poorly sourced and maybe not the best explanation for the existence of 80/20, but hardly a reason to lock the article. Matthew effects likely do apply to the mating market though and likely affect men more (esp. in combination with female mate-choice copying and the fact that men are held to higher standards). Bibipi (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Thirdly, I've seen figures as high as ~68/20 for men (~58/20 for women) based on GSS with a somewhat uncertainty, so 80/20 would be fairly high, but not sure if significantly higher. That's why I wrote "perhaps a bit less extreme", which should be "probably a bit less extreme" (typo). Bibipi (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

You wrote: "Nothing in that citation about a "bodyguard hypothesis", and if there was it would have been about preference or history, not about what is objectively better for the woman)"

If you read closely, the article does make related points: "Women generally prefer men with physical traits [...], although these same physical traits also are an indication of the man’s ability to protect her and her offspring from other men." Bodyguard hypothesis is about evolved preferences, not history, and there are better citations that one could also link, e.g. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4615-5985-6_21 Bibipi (talk) 00:05, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Ok your points are taken. If you edit a large, finished page again, please use the talk page with other writers. Eg, don't just write on the talk page "Im changing all this now". But post what you want to change and why and wait for responses from others. This only applies to large and important and finished" pages. Adding those CDC statistics, as well as the ones that are not as pronounced, as you mentioned those are the most extreme, would be welcome.

On a separate note, there seems to be a misunderstanding from people about how this wiki came into existence. It did not come into existence because Wikipedia wouldn't allow "blackpills". Wikipedia has no problem with "blackpills". None at all. The reason this wiki exists is because of the war on Wikipedia about whether to consider incel a belief system or a life circumstance without an ideology. The latter camp created this wiki. Things that lean towards the former will always be harshly dealed with here. The purpose of this wiki is therefore to combat false stereotypes about incels such as "incels believe 20% of the men get 80% of the women IRL". Combatting stereotypes about incels Wikipedia does not allow, and is why this wiki exists and the stereotype-combatting content is ultimately the only thing that makes this wiki valuable imo. William (talk) 11:09, 6 November 2019 (UTC) William (talk) 10:51, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Unlock

Could you please unlock the Talk:Hypergamy? Bibipi (talk) 04:49, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

It's unlocked now William (talk) 05:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Still delete

The file somehow still exists even though you have deleted it? https://incels.wiki/w/File:0dqjkcRdgMa62RB.mp4 I accidentally linked the talk page previously Bibipi (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Issues on main page

https://incels.wiki/w/Talk:Main_Page#15-30.25_incels and https://incels.wiki/w/Talk:Main_Page#Outdated_link_for_incel_definition in case you didnt see itBibipi (talk) 00:56, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

italian translation

I'm not the guy who expressed interest in translating incels.wiki, however I think it's a great idea to translate the wiki in other languages and I'm willing to translate pages in italian.

We should only translate articles that are really finished. IMO very few, even only few A-class articles are finished. Otherwise we will end up propagating (factual) corrections to all translations, multiplying the work. We should perhaps create a new category called "99.9% finished articles".Bibipi (talk) 22:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Lorsss thank you, yes all the admins are interested in such a possibility. However they do not need to be direct translations and you would have a lot of leeway. William (talk) 00:36, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm gonna redact that screenshot for now

Don't want to tip him off quite yet as to how much we know. 2601:5CD:C200:9BE0:7437:FDB8:18C4:D4B 02:24, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

who are you lol? William (talk) 02:29, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

braincels archive

i sent you the archive on discord Bibipi (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Please unblock Talk:Blackpill

Bibipi (talk) 19:11, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Social media pics

https://incels.wiki/w/File_talk:Hypergamy4.png https://incels.wiki/w/File_talk:Hypergamy7.png

I think neither of them would be usable if the faces would be anonymized, so i suggest delete Bibipi (talk) 10:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

I want to know if you would upload this seven second video

Hi there, I noticed you have uploaded many images to the wiki.

Would you happen to know if it would support the addition of short video clips?

I was hoping you might include this clip from Kingdom Hearts to the it's over article. Wiz (talk) 21:45, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

We only upload videos with a license to upload (creative commons etc). If you think something is copyrighted but Fair Use, you can find it on or upload it to an external site and embed it onto the wiki using this extension which is on the wiki, instructions here https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EmbedVideo William (talk) 22:18, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

unnamed topic

Like this? Wiz (talk) 21:20, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Yea that works. I would also test pages that use youtube vids on mobile as sometimes it messes up layout. Althoug youtube vids do not fit on mobile in general for some reason.William (talk) 23:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanx!

Thanx for letting me be a wiki writer buddy, I'm so thankful. Been searching for years on the cause(s) of my condition. Cannot thank you enough.

Mikey (talk) 04:46, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Traps policy

Re File:6.jpg used on transcel article.

Does https://incels.co/threads/rules-terminology-and-faq.799/ "Disallowed: Traps and gay content." apply here?

If so, then is the reason we can display this basically because as long as a tranny is accompanied by a disclaimer explaining they are a tranny, it isn't actually a trap?

IE it has to be misrepresented as cisgirl instead of transgirl to qualify as trap? Wiz (talk) 21:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

This is not incels.co or incelistan.net, it's a multi-forum/person project. Our wiki rules section is on the sidebar. We don't allow gay propaganda or unsourced shit, but LGBTQ pages are allowed in extreme moderation (right now I think 5-6 articles). Nothing wrong with that image as its relevant to the page and funny (pic came from braincels). At the end of the day we are a wiki that covers everything to do with incel. So if there's incels who are trans, we cover it. If there's incels who say they became gay or trans from inceldom, we cover it. But yes I do delete a lot of LGBTQ stuff, especially if it is baseless or propaganda. The wiki has hundreds of images, one is a 'trap', I think we'll be ok. Here is our rules section William (talk) 01:19, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

CQ policy

I would like to write about cuckqueans and cuckquean fetishism but I am not sure if I should add that to our existing article about cuckoldry or to make a separate one.

I've read some of their image boards and they seem to have their own vocabulary. Like for example instead of a "bull" (male cow) (term for man who a cuckold's wife cheats with) they use the term vixen (female fox) to refer to the woman their man cheats with.

These communities largely seem to be pseudo-cuck in nature (ie they consent for their husbands to fuck other women, rather than being victims of this happening without their consent) although the nature of erotica seems to be about discovering Chad seducing women (or getting seduced by them) without their knowledge and walking in on it and silently watching.

There was a /cuckquean/ on 8chan for awhile but it has since moved to other hosts since that site was taken down. Wiz (talk) 21:07, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Would add it to the cuck article instead of creating a new pageWilliam (talk) 21:46, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Search tool

User:Bibipi/Search_tool Bibipi (talk) 12:05, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, very cool William (talk) 15:14, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Discord link expired

again Bibipi (talk) 02:08, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

up to Master if he wants to update it, I don't own that server anymore, transferred it to him and Altmark months agoWilliam (talk) 03:23, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Will

A happy new year to you! Wiz (talk) 20:14, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Yeah happy new one everyone Bibipi (talk) 22:27, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Bad behavior by Mikey

I don't enjoy complaining, but Mikey has reverted valid edits of mine and has removed pics from the beauty article: https://incels.wiki/w/User_talk:Mikey#Bad_edits I suggest a 1-week ban. Bibipi (talk) 17:31, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Please restore game

As I mentioned on the Talk:Game, I edited Mikey's mess to something readable here: https://incels.wiki/index.php?title=Game&oldid=47339 Unfortunately, this got deleted too, so you're going to have to undelete it on Special:Undelete (or promote me to admin). Bibipi (talk) 09:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

The main problem wasn't readability, problem was his citations were mostly bunk, as far as their relation to his claims. Is that what you changed? William (talk) 21:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I removed all parts he misunderstood or that were unsourced and/or rambling. But i agree with your changes since. I think it is OK to cite the Scientific Blackpill as it contains summaries and discussions much like a book. Bibipi (talk) 00:55, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Changes were made to the revision you wanted it reverted to. Would suggest using the game talk page for the future. There were a few studies in there that were interesting.William (talk) 10:48, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

How can we reach master to restore the old skin?

I haven't seen him online on discord in a while. Bibipi (talk) 18:02, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

It also seems that the wiki search has stopped working. Bibipi (talk) 18:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

The forum, or tell serge if you want

Italian incelosphere

On the home page of incels.wiki, the line "Active Italian Incelosphere" links to, a list of pages about the italian incelosphere. I think it would be better to make it link to Italian incelosphere Lorsss (talk) 15:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

On the home page of incels.wiki, the line "Active Italian Incelosphere" links to "Category:Italian incelosphere", a list of pages about the italian incelosphere. I think it would be better to make it link to Italian Incelosphere.

User:Lorsss 15:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC) Lorsss (talk) 15:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Done William (talk) 19:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Blackpill rewrite

I've merged your points from User:William/blackpill and I'm done editing for now. Bibipi (talk) 16:46, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Burnishing your incel credentials by spending Friday evening editing the wiki, I see

Me too 2601:5CD:C200:9BE0:D38:296A:3431:4992 03:11, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Remove Lifeisgood72 article

Remove my article please. It's the first thing that comes up when you search my username.

creating a warningbox template

I noticed this warningbox template used by wikivoyage used to warn visitors about the dangers of some countries. It could be useful to create something similar for this wiki, for example we may need warningboxes that says "the content of this page is not intended to be mediacl advice" and many other disclaimers

User: Lorsss

You can type a signature with four tildes ~~~~. Do we have any medical advice? We already have a warning regarding disclaimers about condemnation of violence: Template:warning. Bibipi (talk) 17:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I will add a warning "this is not intented to be medical advice" on pages like anabolic steroids which I created
Lorsss (talk) 02:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Current news section on the main page?

E.g. we could mention banned forums, covid-19, Alex Undersky etc. similar to how major wikis do it. Bibipi (talk) 22:28, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

It's usually been a problem everywhere it's been used. See, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_239#WPITN,_original_research_on_popularity,_the_core_of_Wikipedia,_and_bias. "WPITN swears they are doing things the best way it can be done. And yet, no awards are on the cards for that section. It is an odd one out, and not because it is quirky, innovative, surprisingly effective, and surpassing of its peers, like most of the rest of the site. Instead it is small, stuck, narrow, and mildly objectionable."2601:5CD:C200:9BE0:C8F1:3DA9:5BA6:FE5 22:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

We can trial it using a separate page and referencing it with {{ }} on the main page. Similar to the commented out 'featured articles' section on the main page. I'm pretty happy with the main page as it is, but we can trial it.William (talk) 15:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

covid-19 wouldn't be a news subject though lolWilliam (talk) 16:52, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Image bug

If you have an incels.co account please try to contact Master to get this bug fixed. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:V1dojjrt2qhe697c He left Discord, it seems. Bibipi (talk) 09:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't, I locked myself out of that site on 2 accountsWilliam (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

JFL at relying on Discord to stay in contact with important people in 2020 2601:5CD:C200:9BE0:4035:33D9:F825:8733 11:53, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Mutual attraction theory

I've added various discussion points to this talk page a while ago: Talk:Mutual_attraction_theory

I think it may be worth splitting the article into Sexual attraction and Female orgasm and then add both to Template:Redpill. Bibipi (talk) 14:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

sounds goodWilliam (talk) 20:56, 6 April 2020 (UTC)