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== Weird findings == | == Weird findings == | ||
Despite mixed anecdotes and controversy on facial aesthetics. There's way more uncontested anecdotal evidence for mewing greatly improving voice/singing quality. What do you guys think of this? [[User:Mikey|Mikey]] ([[User talk:Mikey|talk]]) 03:14, 31 December 2019 (UTC) | Despite mixed anecdotes and controversy on facial aesthetics. There's way more uncontested anecdotal evidence for mewing greatly improving voice/singing quality. What do you guys think of this? [[User:Mikey|Mikey]] ([[User talk:Mikey|talk]]) 03:14, 31 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
== Issues with empirical studies == | |||
Currently this entire article still reads too much like advertisement. It's too "one-weird-trick" redpilled and kinda chadsplaing. I think the technique section should be minimal (2 sentences max). Anecdotal evidence and these studies could be joined into one section "anecdotal evidence", because there is not much here, especially not about looks. That section should have 2-3 sentences max. [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 03:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
Here are some issues with the provided "evidence": | |||
In a study conducted in 2014 published in the Korean Journal of Orthodontics, the corrective tongue posture technique was able to correct an overbite and bring the entire face forward. After a two-year relapse using retainers, the mewing technique produced lasting effects for 10 years according to the study. However, this particular patient used a tongue elevator to ensure that his tongue was on the roof of his mouth rather than stick to it himself.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4130916/</ref> | |||
: Issues: N=1, it's misleading to say that this was accomplished "by mewing" because a tongue retainer was used. [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 03:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
A 2018 study in the journal Radiology and Oncology found significant evidence for “tongue posture” curing anterior open bites in preschool children. The study recommends tongue posture techniques (like mewing) for early childhood development.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30210041</ref> | |||
: There is no evidence of "curing" here. It simply observes a correlation between tongue posture and malocclusion/speech impediment. [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 03:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
A 1997 study published in the Journal of Oral & Facial Pain and Headache found tongue posture on the roof of the mouth to be linked to stronger temporalis and suprahyoid muscles, both required for mastication.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9656904</ref> | |||
: again, "linked" is not necessarily causation, small N | |||
In a 2009 study published in the OOOO Journal (for Oral Surgery, Oral Medicine, Oral Pathology, and Oral Radiology), proper tongue posture was monitored in participants with an average age of 19.6. Results found “significantly more activity in the temporalis and suprahyoid muscle regions as well as a significant reduction in heart rate variability when the tongue was positioned on the palate compared with tongue position on the floor of the mouth.”<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19773187</ref> | |||
: tiny sample size too | |||
In a 2010 study published the European Journal of Orthodontics, tongue-repositioning maneuver was found to reduce snoring in patients with a normal BMI when combined with an oral shield.<ref>https://academic.oup.com/ejo/article/32/5/490/559907</ref> | |||
: Ok sample size, but only significant at p < .05, i.e. every twentieth repetition of the experiment could be as extreme or more just by random chance. Now consider that there are hundreds of such studies going on over the course of a few decades and people have an incentive to nudge things a bit to get a better p to avoid having wasted research funds on a null result… | |||
A 2016 study published in The Angle Orthodontist journal concluded with the following: “It is suggested that the development of a correct tongue-to-palate swallowing pattern may form and widen the dental arches during craniofacial development to suit the tongue, while persistence of a swallowing pattern that includes a pressing of the tongue between the teeth may not.”<ref>https://www.angle.org/doi/full/10.2319/101615-699.1</ref> | |||
: .05 [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 03:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
In a “highly surprising” 2016 pilot study published in the Muscle, Ligaments and Tendons Journal, a proper tongue position on the palate was found to be linked to a “30% significant increase of knee flexion peak torque.” In other words, tongue posture is linked to the posture of your entire body.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3940506/</ref> | |||
: .05 too [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 03:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
One commonly-cited piece of evidence (1999) cited by Dr. Mew is the case of the Creed twins. One twin underwent orthotropic treatment focusing on tongue posture while another opted for a traditional dental appliance. Just using a simple tongue posture adjustment, the outcomes were drastically different for each twin.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkURkQX7xUY</ref> | |||
: N=2 [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 03:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
The Dental Academy of Continuing Education lists in their course on muscle memory the importance of proper tongue posture. They define proper tongue posture as “the apex of the tongue should be resting just lingual to the maxillary anterior teeth and on the incisive papilla of the hard palate.” The course document cites: Hanson, M. L., & Mason, R. M. (2003). Orofacial Myology International Perspectives (Second ed.). Springfield, Illinois: Charles C Thomas. | |||
With 36 citations, this report published by the Oral Health Group finds mouth breathing to be intimately connected to low tongue posture.<ref>https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/mouth-breathing-physical-mental-emotional-consequences/</ref> | |||
: tl;dr "36 citations" is empty advertising | |||
This interview with physical therapist Maryvonne Fournier, published in the Journal of Dentofacial Anomalies and Orthodontics (2008), discusses the importance of tongue posture in orthodontic treatment.<ref>https://www.jdao-journal.org/articles/odfen/pdf/2008/04/odfen2008114p275.pdf</ref> | |||
Stanford’s biologist and population studies specialist Paul Ehrlich and orthodontist Sandra Kahn have recently co-authored a book Jaws which discusses the “hidden epidemic” of recessed jaw development. The book affirms the importance of proper tongue posture.<ref>https://jawlineexercises.com/stanford-biologist-says-jaws-altered-by-modern-life/</ref> | |||
: dubious as mentioned, but provides lots of anecdata too. so all we have currently is anecdata. if there was more it would have been mentioned in that letter. let's not pretend otherwise with a "list of science" [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 03:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC) | |||