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It's like the antidepressant argument. I can say that antidepressants '''don't work'' because suicide rates are going up. Well, that actually doesn't prove that antidepressants don't work. It's just an argument that they are not strong antidepressants and they shouldn't be used as first line treatment. To prove they don't work you need to reference a good study that isn't just correlation, which then show that yes, antidepressants don't actually work. | It's like the antidepressant argument. I can say that antidepressants '''don't work'' because suicide rates are going up. Well, that actually doesn't prove that antidepressants don't work. It's just an argument that they are not strong antidepressants and they shouldn't be used as first line treatment. To prove they don't work you need to reference a good study that isn't just correlation, which then show that yes, antidepressants don't actually work. | ||
tl;dr, framing it as "do co-ed classes improve the incels situation", and then stuffing the paragraph with correlates is odd when co-ed classes clearly help incels. Framing it as "how much do they help" is more accurate.[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 21:20, 25 December 2019 (UTC) | tl;dr, framing it as "do co-ed classes improve the incels situation", and then stuffing the paragraph with correlates is odd when co-ed classes clearly help incels (a tiny bit). Framing it as "how much do they help" is more accurate. The only reason someone might take such objection to this would be if they thought that co-ed classes ''hurt'' incels chances, which is just not accurate.[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 21:20, 25 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
On a more personal note, I went to sex-segregated school my whole life, there is no way in hell you can convince me that shit is good for incels in the absence of arranged partnerships. Like half my classmates from those things are still incels. The idea that spending no time around women growing up would be a boon to your social skills with women is just insane. On the other hand, co-ed classes can be miserable too, but at least you have a shot.[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 21:24, 25 December 2019 (UTC) | On a more personal note, I went to sex-segregated school my whole life, there is no way in hell you can convince me that shit is good for incels in the absence of arranged partnerships. Like half my classmates from those things are still incels. The idea that spending no time around women growing up would be a boon to your social skills with women is just insane. On the other hand, co-ed classes can be miserable too, but at least you have a shot.[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 21:24, 25 December 2019 (UTC) | ||