Talk:Demographics of inceldom

Commentary - celibate marriedcels

The strangest anomaly within this data is that married women have more sex than married men. Which begs the question, are married women cheating more, or are married men becoming willful cucks?

Moved this here for now as it lacks source. Not sure there is even a significant diff Bibipi (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

It is preferred

To not link to other wiki articles as sources, and instead to the studies themselves with specific statsWilliam (talk) 14:02, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

I think we should always link to both. This could even be done in one <ref>[[http://linktostudy Paper]] [[http://linktoscientificblackpill Blackpill Discussion]]</ref> or so. This would allow people to click through to the article directly, but also see useful pointers to related results collected by us and hence more up-to-date and informative than most (potentially old) papers. Bibipi (talk) 14:51, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

We should maybe also start citing properly with a format like Author N. Year. ''Title.'' [[http://link Abstract]] Bibipi (talk) 14:52, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

How did we arrive at 15%-30% for inceldom?

I don't get it. I mean 28% is close to 30% and is it the confidence interval that makes the upper band 30%? What's the math on the lower band number of 15% given the numbers in the section?William (talk) 14:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes the confidence interval. The 95% CI for the sexless for 2018 is 20%-34%. I've subtracted 5 from this to account for volcels. This assumes an incel rate of 75% for the lower bound and ~85% for the upper bound with the rest being volcels, which seems fair given that

* asexuals are rare (~1%),

* sex is the most pleasurable activity

* 68.8% of men say having sex is essential to feeling good about oneself,

* people likely virtue signal about this and pretend they do not need sex as it seems shallow and indecent to say so

Finally, I rounded to multiples of 5 to get nice figures. I will update the article to make this more clear. Bibipi (talk) 05:34, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Now Vice says it's true by quoting us XD https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/m7qqen/what-is-an-incel-how-incel-culture-grew-2010s William (talk) 00:29, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Haha, amazing, though I do think it is an accurate figure. Bibipi (talk) 05:34, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

ok thanks for your workWilliam (talk) 14:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Poll

What happened to the poll from braincels showing that whites constituted only 28% of the forum which previously noted in the race section? Thebreeze (talk) 06:38, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

That poll had a very small sample size and was possibly manipulated. https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Incel_forums_are_disproportionately_populated_by_suicidal.2C_disabled.2C_autistic.2C_and_ethnic_men Bibipi (talk) 07:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Anglosphere estimates

I think the estimate based on Reddit from the SB that is linked, is much more reliable because it controls for the pathways which decide access to such online forums. Also it gets around the issue of multinationality by focusing on the U.S. only.

https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Incel_forums_are_disproportionately_populated_by_suicidal.2C_disabled.2C_autistic.2C_and_ethnic_men

Bibipi (talk) 07:14, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

"Removed some content as it was inaccurate"

This is the part that was removed:

But above 30, there were around twice as many male adult virgins (3.5% vs 1.5%).

Alt, could you detail why this is inaccurate? The bar graphs are probably accurate and probably contain a large amount of samples (with overall N = 20,000). Bibipi (talk) 08:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

The info itself isn't inaccurate, but the stated source of the survey was. Yes, it'd be good to mention that there are more lifelong male virgins than lifelong female virgins in Australia (a finding that seems to hold true in other datasets also), in the section where I cite that survey you mentioned. I think I was going to add that bit back in but forgot. Good catch. It would also be good if see if you can find the first run of that survey if you have time so we could see if there was any secular increase in sexlessness year on year with the exact same methodology (instead of comparing the ABC survey with this one, as the ABC doesn't go into detail about their methodology. as we both know, sampling and question phrasing can skew survey results quite heavily for these kind of things). I looked for it but couldn't find a fulltext anywhere, so a second pair of eyes would be good if you have time. Altmark22 (talk) 08:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)