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Contrary to men, women tend to prefer a disagreeable partner during the initial stages of [[dating]] once men have passed their [[LMS]] test.<ref>https://www.newsweek.com/study-finds-men-nice-women-not-other-way-around-261269</ref><ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167214543879</ref> This results in [[bullies]] having substantially more sexual partners than the bullied.<ref>[https://archive.fo/ZGvcF http://archive.is/ZGvcF]</ref><ref>https://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40806-017-0126-4</ref><ref>https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/sex-and-relationship/161217/dominance-may-make-bullies-more-attractive-leading-to-more-sex-study.html</ref><ref>https://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/The-Dark-Triad-Personality.pdf</ref><ref>[https://archive.fo/e6p19 http://archive.is/e6p19]</ref><ref>https://www.timesofisrael.com/women-really-dont-go-for-nice-guys-study-indicates/</ref> This gives men an incentive to act like jerks to avoid being [[ghosting|ghosted]]. Women consequently tend to complain that there are no genuinely nice guys, which is thought to be a [[shit test]], [[virtue signaling]], or self-delusion. | Contrary to men, women tend to prefer a disagreeable partner during the initial stages of [[dating]] once men have passed their [[LMS]] test.<ref>https://www.newsweek.com/study-finds-men-nice-women-not-other-way-around-261269</ref><ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167214543879</ref> This results in [[bullies]] having substantially more sexual partners than the bullied.<ref>[https://archive.fo/ZGvcF http://archive.is/ZGvcF]</ref><ref>https://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs40806-017-0126-4</ref><ref>https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/sex-and-relationship/161217/dominance-may-make-bullies-more-attractive-leading-to-more-sex-study.html</ref><ref>https://scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/The-Dark-Triad-Personality.pdf</ref><ref>[https://archive.fo/e6p19 http://archive.is/e6p19]</ref><ref>https://www.timesofisrael.com/women-really-dont-go-for-nice-guys-study-indicates/</ref> This gives men an incentive to act like jerks to avoid being [[ghosting|ghosted]]. Women consequently tend to complain that there are no genuinely nice guys, which is thought to be a [[shit test]], [[virtue signaling]], or self-delusion. | ||
These insights are central to the [[red pill]], [[black pill]], and the countless clickbaity news articles about how "women love | These insights are central to the [[red pill]], [[black pill]], and the countless clickbaity news articles about how "[[Asshole#Women_choose_psychopaths_disproportionately|women love psychopaths]]", and they are related to [[hybristophilia]], i.e. women's sexual interest in criminal and violent males. | ||
The immense contradiction between the socially desired male niceness and goodness and their low sexual success as a result of female mate choice has motivated mass murderers [[Elliot Rodger]] and [[Alek Minassian]], claiming themselves to be "supreme gentlemen" and thus deserving female sexual attention. Minassian explicitly stated having been "too nice" to women,<ref>https://youtube.com/watch?v=qhnd9J6dNSA?t=2418</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnd9J6dNSA&t=6882</ref> though later he confessed he was not primarily driven by retaliation against women and only used incel memes as a veneer to gain popularity.<ref>https://www.ontariocourts.ca/decisions/2021ONSC1258.pdf</ref> | The immense contradiction between the socially desired male niceness and goodness and their low sexual success as a result of female mate choice has motivated mass murderers [[Elliot Rodger]] and [[Alek Minassian]], claiming themselves to be "supreme gentlemen" and thus deserving female sexual attention. Minassian explicitly stated having been "too nice" to women,<ref>https://youtube.com/watch?v=qhnd9J6dNSA?t=2418</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnd9J6dNSA&t=6882</ref> though later he confessed he was not primarily driven by retaliation against women and only used incel memes as a veneer to gain popularity.<ref>https://www.ontariocourts.ca/decisions/2021ONSC1258.pdf</ref> | ||
An explanation for women's preference for bullies may be the [[bodyguard hypothesis]]. A very nice man can't protect. Excessively warmhearted men are also often perceived as [[creepy]] and suspect and manipulative,<ref>https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/07/27/the-kindest-cut</ref> which they may as well be. Excessive niceness is also awkward [[signaling theory|signaling]] as it is perceived as desperate, which in turn points to prior failure and flaws. | An explanation for women's preference for bullies may be the [[bodyguard hypothesis]]. A very nice man can't protect. Excessively warmhearted men are also often perceived as [[creepy]] and suspect and manipulative,<ref>https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/07/27/the-kindest-cut</ref> which they may as well be. Excessive niceness is also awkward [[signaling theory|signaling]] as it is perceived as desperate, which in turn points to prior failure and flaws. | ||
==Fake nice guys== | ==Fake nice guys== | ||
Both [[womanosphere|womanospherians]] and [[manosphere|manospherians]] accuse many men of being "fake nice", but in different ways. | Both [[womanosphere|womanospherians]] and [[manosphere|manospherians]] accuse many men of being "fake nice", but in different ways. | ||