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== Gender ratio and [[STEMcel]] rates ==
== Gender ratio and [[STEMcel]] rates ==
There don't exist any known single studies showing how co-ed workplaces or classes directly affect incels (controlling for time). Therefore, the following is a bunch of synthesis and opinion mostly.
There don't exist any studies on the effect of co-ed workplaces or classes on incel rates. The following is some indirectly related evidence:


===Potential pros===
'''Pro evidence:''' Students at co-ed schools seem to be slightly more successful with the opposite sex. According to a study by Ivy [[penis|Wong]], students in single-sex classes report later onset of dating experience and fewer dating partners than members of co-ed classes,<ref>https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-018-1187-6</ref> however the effect sizes were small (d = 0.2) and in most other measures of sexual activity there were no significant effects.
While it may be corrupting to the [[STEM]] fields, having co-ed classes seems to be statistically more beneficial to men than not, when controlling for time. Indeed, according to a study by Ivy [[penis|Wong]], students in single-sex classes report later onset of dating experience and fewer dating partners than members of co-ed classes,<ref>https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-018-1187-6</ref> however the effect sizes were small (d = .2) and in most other measures of sexual activity there were no significant effects. So in other words, yes having co-ed classes means more dates and partners, just by a very small amount, and it isn't known who exactly benefits.
A similar study by Ivy Wong demonstrated that students from single-sex classes report more anxiety around the opposite gender than students from co-ed classes, again with a small effect size (d = 0.26).
Men from mixed schools also had more close friends of the opposite gender, with a moderate effect size (d = .47).<ref>https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0208707</ref>
These studies only concern averages, so it is not clear who benefits (potentially only high status males as discussed below).
According to the [[Donnelly Study]], some incels report gender segregation at work and lack of exposure to females in general as a cause of their celibacy, especially among male incels.<ref>http://cda.morris.umn.edu/~meeklesr/celibacy.html</ref>  A study of Redditors found lack of exposure to the opposite gender as the ~9th most common cause of their singledom (not necessarily inceldom) and 4.70% of all responses (see [[causes of inceldom]]).


A similar study by Ivy Wong demonstrated that students from single-sex classes report more anxiety around the opposite gender than students from co-ed classes, again with a small effect size (d=0.26).  Men from mixed schools also had more close friends of the opposite gender, with a moderate effect size (d= .47).<ref>https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0208707</ref>
'''Con evidence:''' On the other hand, most STEM jobs are fairly high-status positions and hence such women are expected to become more choosy about other men's incomes (see [[hypergamy]]), especially due to the highly competitive nature of the field. In addition, with [[metoo]] and other anti-[[harassment]] measures, the workplace is becoming unpopular for dating, e.g. "meeting through coworkers" has declined 50% since 1990 despite decreasing gender segregation.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Meeting_online_is_now_the_primary_way_relationships_are_formed</ref>
 
According to the [[Donnelly Study]], some incels report gender segregation at work and lack of exposure to females in general as a cause of their celibacy, especially among male incels.<ref>http://cda.morris.umn.edu/~meeklesr/celibacy.html</ref>  A study of Redditors found lack of exposure to the opposite gender as the ~9th most common cause of their singledom and 4.70% of all responses (see [[causes of inceldom]]).
 
These studies show potential for women in STEM vis-a-vis incels.  However, not all incels agree, citing female hypergamy among other things.
 
===Potential cons===
On the other hand, most STEM jobs are fairly high-status positions and hence such women are expected to become more choosy about other men's incomes (see [[hypergamy]]), especially due to the highly competitive nature of the field. In addition, with [[metoo]] and other anti-[[harassment]] measures, the workplace is becoming unpopular for dating, e.g. "meeting through coworkers" has declined 50% since 1990 despite decreasing gender segregation.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Meeting_online_is_now_the_primary_way_relationships_are_formed</ref>
Today, as many as 28% of men avoid one-on-one meetings with female work collegues.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#27.25_of_men_report_avoiding_one-on-one_meetings_with_female_work_colleagues</ref>
Today, as many as 28% of men avoid one-on-one meetings with female work collegues.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#27.25_of_men_report_avoiding_one-on-one_meetings_with_female_work_colleagues</ref>
Many workplaces actively discourage romances.
Many workplaces actively discourage romances.
Also, even though sex-segregation has decreased, incel rates are at all-time high (see [[demographics]]), which is the opposite trend on would expect if mixed sexed would help alleviating the incel epidemic.
Also, even though sex-segregation has decreased, incel rates are at all-time high (see [[demographics]]), which is the opposite trend on would expect if mixed sexed would help alleviating the incel epidemic.
Presence of females might be a detriment for the romantic success of [[omega male]]s because males engage in more bullying and punishing in presence of females.<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053535711000321</ref> One study found that boys attending coeducational high schools experience more bullying than boys who attend single-sex high schools (χ²<sub>[1, N=13,134]</sub> = 48.55, p<.001). About 19% of males who attend coeducational schools experience bullying as opposed to less than 1% of males who attend single-sex schools.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271948395_Patterns_of_Bullying_in_Single-Sex_Schools</ref> Thus, in presence of women, omega males might have reduced chance to build status and social competence and hence may face higher incel rates.
Presence of females might be a detriment for the romantic success of [[omega male]]s because males engage in more bullying and punishing in presence of females.<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053535711000321</ref> One study found that boys attending coeducational high schools experience more bullying than boys who attend single-sex high schools (χ²<sub>[1, N=13,134]</sub> = 48.55, p<.001). About 19% of males who attend coeducational schools experience bullying as opposed to less than 1% of males who attend single-sex schools.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271948395_Patterns_of_Bullying_in_Single-Sex_Schools</ref>
This would match an anecdote by [[Jordan Peterson]] in which only few male university students got to have sexual relationships despite a surplus of female students.<ref>https://youtube.com/watch?v=jsMqSBB3ZTY?t=293</ref> In some incel forums, incels also lamented that they have many female coworkers, but are ignored by them.<ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=female%20coworkers%20invisible&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=comments&search=true&start=0&end=1576953976&size=100</ref> This anecdotes further solidify that no improvements for STEMcels can be expected.
This would agree with an anecdote by [[Jordan Peterson]] in which only few male university students got to have sexual relationships despite a surplus of female students.<ref>https://youtube.com/watch?v=jsMqSBB3ZTY?t=293</ref> In some incel forums, incels also lamented that they have many female coworkers, but are ignored by them.<ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=female%20coworkers%20invisible&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=comments&search=true&start=0&end=1576953976&size=100</ref>


==Women as "pioneers in STEM"==
==Women as "pioneers in STEM"==
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