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There don't exist many or any studies showing how co-ed workplaces or classes directly affect incels, therefore the following is a bunch of commmentary mostly. | |||
===Pros of women in STEM=== | |||
While it may be corrupting to the [[STEM]] fields, having co-ed classes seems to be statistically more beneficial to incels than not, when controlling for time. Indeed, cording to a study by Ivy [[penis|Wong]], students in single-sex classes report later onset of dating experience and fewer dating partners than members of co-ed classes,<ref>https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-018-1187-6</ref> however the effect sizes were small (d = .2) and in most other measures of sexual activity there were no significant effects. So in other words, yes having co-ed classes means more dates and partners, just by a very small amount. | While it may be corrupting to the [[STEM]] fields, having co-ed classes seems to be statistically more beneficial to incels than not, when controlling for time. Indeed, cording to a study by Ivy [[penis|Wong]], students in single-sex classes report later onset of dating experience and fewer dating partners than members of co-ed classes,<ref>https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-018-1187-6</ref> however the effect sizes were small (d = .2) and in most other measures of sexual activity there were no significant effects. So in other words, yes having co-ed classes means more dates and partners, just by a very small amount. | ||
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Also, even though sex-segregation has decreased, incel rates are also at all-time high (see [[demographics]]), suggesting that simply having co-ed classes/workplaces probably isn't enough to decelerate inceldom significantly. This is mostly explainable by less men going to college and women being more picky, as there is no study that shows being closer to the opposite gender hinders your ability with women. | Also, even though sex-segregation has decreased, incel rates are also at all-time high (see [[demographics]]), suggesting that simply having co-ed classes/workplaces probably isn't enough to decelerate inceldom significantly. This is mostly explainable by less men going to college and women being more picky, as there is no study that shows being closer to the opposite gender hinders your ability with women. | ||
==Cons of women in STEM== | |||
On the other hand, most STEM jobs are fairly high-status positions and hence such women are expected to become more choosy about other men's incomes (see [[hypergamy]]), especially due to the highly competitive nature of the field. In addition, with [[metoo]] and other anti-[[harassment]] measures, the workplace is becoming unpopular for dating, e.g. "meeting through coworkers" has declined 50% since 1990 despite decreasing gender segregation.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Meeting_online_is_now_the_primary_way_relationships_are_formed</ref> | |||
Today, as many as 28% of men avoid one-on-one meetings with female work collegues.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#27.25_of_men_report_avoiding_one-on-one_meetings_with_female_work_colleagues</ref> | |||
Many workplaces actively discourage romances. | |||
Also, even though sex-segregation has decreased, incel rates are at all-time high (see [[demographics]]), which is the opposite trend on would expect if mixed sexed would help alleviating the incel epidemic. | |||
Presence of females might be a detriment for the romantic success of [[omega male]]s because males engage in more bullying and punishing in presence of females.<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053535711000321</ref> One study found that boys attending coeducational high schools experience more bullying than boys who attend single-sex high schools (χ2<sub>[1, N=13,134]</sub> = 48.55, p<.001). About 19% of males who attend coeducational schools experience bullying as opposed to less than 1% of males who attend single-sex schools.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271948395_Patterns_of_Bullying_in_Single-Sex_Schools</ref> Thus, in presence of women, omega males might have reduced chance to build status and social competence and hence may face higher incel rates. | |||
This would match an anecdote by [[Jordan Peterson]] in which only few male university students got to have sexual relationships despite a surplus of female students.<ref>https://youtube.com/watch?v=jsMqSBB3ZTY?t=293</ref> In some incel forums, incels also lamented that they have many female coworkers, but are ignored by them.<ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=female%20coworkers%20invisible&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=comments&search=true&start=0&end=1576953976&size=100</ref> This anecdotes further solidify that no improvements for STEMcels can be expected. | |||
:Would prefer this broken up into pro and con in a more explicit way if you really really want the last paragraph stuff. By that I mean putting less of your opinion in the pros, and less of my opinion in the cons, and subsections for each. That eliminates this conflict and we can move on.[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 13:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC) | |||
==Women as "pioneers in STEM"== | ==Women as "pioneers in STEM"== | ||