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'''Blackpill''' is [[pill jargon]] for an uncomfortable truth, a [[redpill]], that nothing can be done about barring profound changes.
'''Blackpill''' is [[pill jargon]] for an uncomfortable truth, a [[redpill]], that nothing can be done about barring profound changes.


In the [[manosphere]], the blackpill refers to a movement that emerged in opposition to the self-improvement enthusiasm of the [[redpill]] movement.
In the [[manosphere]], the blackpill is a movement that opposes the self-improvement enthusiasm of the [[redpill]] movement.
Redpillers believe in a collection of "dating tricks" such as [[PUA|pickup artististry]], [[game]] and [[gymmaxxing|bodybuilding]].
Redpillers believe in a collection of "dating tricks" such as [[PUA|pickup artistry]], [[game]] and [[gymmaxxing|bodybuilding]].
Blackpillers reject the long-term effectiveness of these tricks.  Blackpillers instead tend to advocate for plastic surgery, or even systemic changes or changes to human nature itself.
Blackpillers reject the long-term effectiveness of these tricks and instead advocate for plastic surgery, profound cultural or systemic changes, or even changes to human nature itself.


Most blackpillers see women's emancipation and corrupted gender roles as the main causes of the [[demographics|incel epidemic]] and increasingly unstable sexual relationships.
Blackpillers see the corrupted gender roles and women's emancipation as the main causes of the [[demographics|incel epidemic]] and deteriorating sexual relationships. Women's financial independence is thought to allow them to choose ruthlessly based on looks.
Women's financial independence is seen to allow them to ruthlessly choose based on looks.
Hence blackpillers push for a return to [[tradcon|traditions]], [[sexual sublimation]], [[monogamy]] and [[Scientific Blackpill (Supplemental)#Women_were_historically_predominantly_involved_in_cooking_and_they_never_dominated_men|the natural subordination of women]],
Many blackpillers hence propose returning to [[tradcon|traditions]], enforcing [[monogamy]] and restoring 'the natural subordination of women'.<ref>[https://incels.co/threads/me-52m-just-found-out-at-least-4-of-my-5-children-33f-30f-28m-24f-14f-are-not-mine-wife-51f-wont-say-anything.115218/page-3#post-2959506 ], [https://incels.co/threads/if-men-cant-be-protectors-providers-theyll-be-destroyers-deprivers.140942/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/being-anti-religion-is-not-only-contradictory-but-also-completely-anti-incels.146724/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135 ], [https://incels.co/threads/germany-1950-was-an-incel-wet-dream.147144/#post-3085283 ], [https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135 ], [https://incels.co/threads/me-52m-just-found-out-at-least-4-of-my-5-children-33f-30f-28m-24f-14f-are-not-mine-wife-51f-wont-say-anything.115218/page-3#post-2959506 ], [https://incels.co/threads/if-men-cant-be-protectors-providers-theyll-be-destroyers-deprivers.140942/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/being-anti-religion-is-not-only-contradictory-but-also-completely-anti-incels.146724/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135 ], [https://incels.co/threads/germany-1950-was-an-incel-wet-dream.147144/#post-3085283 ], [https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135 ]</ref>
in accordance with the [[greatest happiness principle]].
Many blackpillers deplore the abolition of [[sexual sublimation]] and see modern society as a [[behavioral sink]]. Some blackpillers believe that a social collapse is inevitable and therefore advocate that ugly men in particular should adopt a fatalistic and defeatist outlook.<ref>[https://incels.co/threads/glassespill-its-over-for-glasscels-do-not-enter-if-vision-is-not-20-20.136257/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/its-over-for-boliviancels.136006/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/tbh-i-think-frameceldom-is-the-worst-type-of-inceldom.151208/#post-3170145]</ref>
A common fatalist/defeatist blackpill meme is that societal collapse is inevitable and that [[it's over]].
Most blackpillers believe in the [[greatest happiness principle]] and are opposed to degeneracy. Most are atheist, but some promote cultural Christianity or other religions. Most blackpillers believe in evolutionary psychology and [[biological essentialism|biological determinism]], in which they scientifically ground their ideas (see [[Scientific Blackpill]] and [https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience /r/BlackPillScience]).
Most blackpillers are atheist, but some promote cultural Christianity or other religions.
 
Most believe in evolutionary psychology and [[biological essentialism|biological determinism]] (see [[Scientific Blackpill]] and [https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience /r/BlackPillScience]). Not all blackpillers are incels ([[noncel blackpiller|noncel blackpillers]]) and not all incels are blackpillers.  
Not all blackpillers are incels ([[noncel blackpiller|noncel blackpillers]]) and not all incels are blackpillers.  


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