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Ignore todays drama.  There is now consensus on the lede btw various political factions settled via PM. [[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]])
Ignore todays drama.  There is now consensus on the lede btw various political factions settled via PM. [[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]])
This lede in particular was agreed upon by various political factions https://incels.wiki/w/index.php?title=Blackpill&oldid=27289
This lede in particular was agreed upon by various political factions https://incels.wiki/w/index.php?title=Blackpill&oldid=27289
== Proposal for new lede with focus on tribalism with the redpill ==
A '''blackpill''' is [[pill jargon]] for an uncomfortable truth (a [[redpill]]) that nothing can be done about without profound changes.
In the [[manosphere]], ''the blackpill'' refers to a movement that emerged in opposition to the self-improvement enthusiasm of the [[redpill]] movement.
Redpillers believe in a collection of "dating tricks" such as [[PUA|pickup artististry]], [[game]] and [[gymmaxxing|bodybuilding]].
Blackpillers reject the long-term effectiveness of these tricks, regard them [[chadsplaining]], and claim that for many men it is futile to fake confidence and get fit without [[plastic surgery]], or even systemic changes or changes to human nature itself. [[It's over]] for such men and it's not their own fault, but a result of their looks, genes or other [[determinism|deterministic]] circumstances, as well as women's financial independence and freedom of sexual choice allowing them to ruthlessly choose based on looks.
This resulted in considerable tribalism about the importance of looks between the redpill and blackpill communities driving many blackpillers to claim looks is all that matters.
Other than that, blackpill and redpill knowledge is nearly identical.
Other blackpillers take a broader look at systemic impediments that aggravate men's dating success, for example the effect of [[affirmative action]] for women causing women to outearn men and making it harder for men to impress women due to women's preference to date up ([[hypergamy]]). Most blackpillers see women's emancipation, as well as a corruption of the gender roles as the main cause of the [[demographics|incel epidemic]] and increasingly unsteady sexual relationships. Many blackpillers propose returning to [[tradcon|traditions]], enforcing [[monogamy]] and restoring the natural subordination of women.<ref>[https://incels.co/threads/me-52m-just-found-out-at-least-4-of-my-5-children-33f-30f-28m-24f-14f-are-not-mine-wife-51f-wont-say-anything.115218/page-3#post-2959506 ], [https://incels.co/threads/if-men-cant-be-protectors-providers-theyll-be-destroyers-deprivers.140942/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/being-anti-religion-is-not-only-contradictory-but-also-completely-anti-incels.146724/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135 ], [https://incels.co/threads/germany-1950-was-an-incel-wet-dream.147144/#post-3085283 ], [https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135 ], [https://incels.co/threads/me-52m-just-found-out-at-least-4-of-my-5-children-33f-30f-28m-24f-14f-are-not-mine-wife-51f-wont-say-anything.115218/page-3#post-2959506 ], [https://incels.co/threads/if-men-cant-be-protectors-providers-theyll-be-destroyers-deprivers.140942/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/being-anti-religion-is-not-only-contradictory-but-also-completely-anti-incels.146724/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135 ], [https://incels.co/threads/germany-1950-was-an-incel-wet-dream.147144/#post-3085283 ], [https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135 ]</ref>
Many blackpillers regard the abolition of [[sexual sublimation]] as an existential threat and see modern society as a [[behavioral sink]]. Some blackpillers believe that a social collapse is inevitable and therefore advocate that ugly men should adopt a fatalistic and defeatist outlook.<ref>[https://incels.co/threads/glassespill-its-over-for-glasscels-do-not-enter-if-vision-is-not-20-20.136257/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/its-over-for-boliviancels.136006/ ], [https://incels.co/threads/tbh-i-think-frameceldom-is-the-worst-type-of-inceldom.151208/#post-3170145]</ref>
Most blackpillers believe in the [[greatest happiness principle]] and are opposed to degeneracy. Most are atheist, but some promote cultural Christianity or other religions. Most blackpillers believe in evolutionary psychology and [[biological essentialism|biological determinism]], in which they scientifically ground their ideas.  The science behind the blackpill is being collected in the '''[[Scientific Blackpill]]''' article and on the subreddit
[https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience /r/BlackPillScience].
Not all blackpillers are incels ([[noncel blackpiller|noncel blackpillers]]) and not all incels are blackpillers. Some public intellectuals have raised issues closely related to the blackpill. For example, the Norwegian sexologist [[Kristin Spitznogle]] largely agrees with the lookism aspect of the blackpill. The Canadian psychologist [[Jordan Peterson]] agrees with the systemic issue of hypergamy and lack of enforced monogamy causing inceldom.
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