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==Incels vs. Pick Up Artists==
==Incels vs. Pick Up Artists==
The pick up artist scene (now mostly found on [[The Red Pill|/r/TRP]]) has always been at odds with the incel community.  One site that had a lot of incels: [[PSL|PUAhate.com]] was almost exclusively dedicated to hating on pick up artists.  Similarly [[r/TRP]] hates on incels.  The difference is in philosophy.  
The pick up artist scene (now mostly found on [[The Red Pill|/r/TRP]]) has always been at odds with most incel communities.  One site that had a lot of incels: [[PSL|PUAhate.com]] was almost exclusively dedicated to hating on pick up artists.  Similarly [[r/TRP]] hates on incels.  The difference is in philosophy.  


PUAs (and [[feminists]]) think men pick up women through [[social skills]] and increasing your self-worth by yourself..
PUAs (and [[feminists]]) think men pick up women through [[social skills]] and increasing your self-worth by yourself..
Incels instead (and others) advocate [[LMS]] (looks, money, status) theory, but don't guarantee success, only increasing the odds that a woman will pick you when you approach her.  Incels and others say that for men that have normal [[social skills]] (most men), 'game' is a scam, and the only way to improve in the [[eyes]] of women sexually is through improving one's looks, money, or status.
Incels instead (and others) advocate [[LMS]] (looks, money, status) theory, but don't guarantee success, only increasing the odds that a woman will pick you when you approach her.  Incels and others say that for men that have normal [[social skills]] (most men), 'game' is a scam, and the only way to improve in the [[eyes]] of women sexually is through improving one's looks, money, or status.


Incels usually stress looks as the most important.  The PUA (and therapy) industry is dependent on trying to make people think they can cheat lookism.
Self-identified ncels usually stress looks as the most important.  The PUA (and therapy) industry is dependent on trying to make people think they can cheat lookism.


[[File:Redpillcomics1.jpg|full|center|<center>PUAs target the most vulnerable people</center>‎]]
[[File:Redpillcomics1.jpg|full|center|<center>PUAs target the most vulnerable people</center>‎]]
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