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Removal of this comment[edit source]

Hi William, I see you removed "though long term singledom and being incel are not necessarily synonymous." I've noticed you have made similar edits elsewhere where people have attempted to clarify this confusion. While it is very likely that most long-term single men are indeed incel, the two terms are not synonymous.

May seem like petty squabbling over semantics, but a man that forgoes long-term committed relationships and engages in frequent casual sex is obviously not an incel by any definition of the term. Therefore, this qualifying statement is important,imo, unless you're seeking to fundamentally redefine the term 'incel'. Altmark22 (talk) 19:40, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

If a man can only get one night stands now and then they are incel imo. Like Kyle Incel e.g. is incel by the 6 month metric. As far as men who have sex regularly but forgo pairing up with anyone , I've never seen any statistics on them and I admit I don't think they exist enough to bother for making clarifications on that. But if it's worth making the clarification go ahead and do it in detail. When you made the clarification in the past it seemed like you were hinting you didn't believe in the broad definition of incel we use in the wiki, as 'without choice' rather than just 'without will'William (talk) 19:59, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Added it back in with some clarification, but you may want to change itWilliam (talk) 19:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I was more trying to clarify Binder's study, as one can avoid co-habitation and marriage with women while still engaging in casual sex or even having a girlfriend. I agree that most single men are not single by choice, they may even be mostly incel according to the Donnelly six month definition (or a longer one) as some research shows most men are not terribly effective at getting sex outside of committed relationships with women. Altmark22 (talk) 20:01, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Just the way you worded it the first time on the page made it seem like it was a major criticism of the study, when I really don't think many such men exist (male players who don't settle)> But you are free to reword it back to however you like, I don't have a huge opinion on this. The times I equated non-singledom to inceldom was more about pointing out the lack of non-players single-by-choiceWilliam (talk)
Changed it to clarify the study, I largely agree with you that male players are rare (especially at older ages), so splitting hairs over this isn't really productive. Altmark22 (talk) 20:12, 30 December 2019 (UTC)]
Also, are you aware of Besaglia mentioning the pathologizing of unemployment by psychiatry? Might be good to add if he directly talked about this subject.Altmark22 (talk) 20:16, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
I have not read or heard of that, reference to that in the article with a citation would be coolWilliam (talk) 20:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)