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my article on feminism is not funny enough William (talk) 10:24, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

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The current lede portrays feminism as a reaction to technology and post-hoc credit taking, rather than a particularly effective or active force on its own, which I believe is the most accurate takeWilliam (talk) 22:04, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

I guess it's both, a reaction and a movement. I'm not sure what came first, tech or ideology, but I'd bet on tech. Without tampons and service sector women would be too dependent on men to make up much of a movement and there would be no meaningful economic incentive to change that Bibipi (talk) 00:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Also RE inceldom, gender equality doesn't seem to correlate much with inceldom in modern countries, rather the opposite. Inceldom is arguably exacerbated by the destruction of any long-term social institutions geared towards social cohesion (like the family, the welfare state, or maybe even religion), but that is neither the root cause of inceldom nor the result of any active movement imo.William (talk) 22:11, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Disagree. Destruction of the family seems to be the main cause of femceldom and inceldom, mainly driven by feminist and environmentalist ideologues, some economists masquerading as such, as well as atheists. Bibipi (talk) 00:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
How did incels start with the destruction of family if there were tons of them when family was enforced/encouraged? Exacerbated != root cause. And I'm just granting that decreased marriage increased young adult celibacy rates before the '08 crash, which is dubious at best.William (talk) 16:52, 10 March 2020 (UTC)William (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, life used to be much harsher which may explain high incel rates in the past. I think incel life used to be more bearable prior to the false notion that all males are privileged. Economic stagnation is very likely also a main factor, which in turn leads to more ideology as lack of growth means a lower rate of creative destruction. Bibipi (talk) 18:26, 10 March 2020 (UTC)