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The main difference here may be that blackpillers generally don't blame incels actions and attitudes for their lack of sexual success, whereas redpillers are often aggressively [[neoliberal]] in the sense of promoting 'bootstraps' and tough-love rhetoric to disadvantaged men. Redpillers typically seek to portray the blackpill as a 'loser mentality' that will repulse women, while blackpillers often see or portray redpillers as self-aggrandizing failures who exaggerate their sexual success for grifting purposes. It is commonly argued by proponents of the blackpill that redpiller's frequent hostility towards the blackpill is often motivated by self-interest, as if the 'blackpilled truth' of the dating market is known to men there won't be any market for PUA-type courses based on ideas that dating is 'hackable' via redpill type methods. Some prominent redpillers, such as [[Rollo Tomassi]], however, do recognize the similarities between the two 'pills' and see blackpillers as simply representing defeatist redpillers. Despite this tension, there seems to be an increasing trend towards convergence of the two circles, with redpillers often adopting blackpill terminology and arguments.<ref>https://twitter.com/rationalmale/status/1549766485836447748</ref><ref>https://looksmax.org/threads/godfather-of-the-redpill-rollo-tomassi-turns-blackpill-live-on-youtube-ethnics-do-not-enter-brutal-statistics.396585/</ref> | The main difference here may be that blackpillers generally don't blame incels actions and attitudes for their lack of sexual success, whereas redpillers are often aggressively [[neoliberal]] in the sense of promoting 'bootstraps' and tough-love rhetoric to disadvantaged men. Redpillers typically seek to portray the blackpill as a 'loser mentality' that will repulse women, while blackpillers often see or portray redpillers as self-aggrandizing failures who exaggerate their sexual success for grifting purposes. It is commonly argued by proponents of the blackpill that redpiller's frequent hostility towards the blackpill is often motivated by self-interest, as if the 'blackpilled truth' of the dating market is known to men there won't be any market for PUA-type courses based on ideas that dating is 'hackable' via redpill type methods. Some prominent redpillers, such as [[Rollo Tomassi]], however, do recognize the similarities between the two 'pills' and see blackpillers as simply representing defeatist redpillers. Despite this tension, there seems to be an increasing trend towards convergence of the two circles, with redpillers often adopting blackpill terminology and arguments.<ref>https://twitter.com/rationalmale/status/1549766485836447748</ref><ref>https://looksmax.org/threads/godfather-of-the-redpill-rollo-tomassi-turns-blackpill-live-on-youtube-ethnics-do-not-enter-brutal-statistics.396585/</ref> | ||
The blackpill is also generally more biologically determinist than the redpill, and argues against social | The blackpill is also generally more biologically determinist than the redpill, and argues more strongly against social constructionist viewpoints which assert humans are not bound to their genetics. Blackpillers instead believe romantic success without 'tying women down' will always be mostly genetically predetermined (mostly only controlled through either evolutionary time, or [[eugenics]], or efforts to '[[Cheating your genetics|cheat one's genetics]]' such as [[plastic surgery]]). | ||
Finally, the blackpill places more of an emphasis on a man's looks as a determinate of his dating success, whereas redpillers generally argue that a man's behavior and social status is more important to women. However, some of this difference is merely because blackpillers often have very high standards for what is considered necessary for a man to physically stand-out in the modern dating market due to online dating and social media. Redpillers often agree looks are paramount for short-term mating but argue most men can easily self-improve to the point where they are considered reasonably attractive to a large enough portion of women for dating to be worth it. This point of view is often considered 'bluepilled' and delusional by blackpill proponents. As such, one can argue that many of the ostensible differences between the blackpill and the redpill depend on one's own experiences and perspective, and are furthermore more quantitative than qualitative in nature. | Finally, the blackpill places more of an emphasis on a man's looks as a determinate of his dating success, whereas redpillers generally argue that a man's behavior and social status is more important to women. However, some of this difference is merely because blackpillers often have very high standards for what is considered necessary for a man to physically stand-out in the modern dating market due to online dating and social media. Redpillers often agree looks are paramount for short-term mating but argue most men can easily self-improve to the point where they are considered reasonably attractive to a large enough portion of women for dating to be worth it. This point of view is often considered 'bluepilled' and delusional by blackpill proponents. As such, one can argue that many of the ostensible differences between the blackpill and the redpill depend on one's own experiences and perspective, and are furthermore more quantitative than qualitative in nature. | ||