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=2018= | |||
==Expansion== | ==Expansion== | ||
Any ideas on how to expand the blackpill article? I'd like to expand on each of the five thesises with data. You're free to propose ideas to me here or on Discord. Mahlo#2892 | Any ideas on how to expand the blackpill article? I'd like to expand on each of the five thesises with data. You're free to propose ideas to me here or on Discord. Mahlo#2892 | ||
:: I would love to contribute. I've made my first edit (removing the poetry intro from this article). We get one chance to blackpill normies, so we have to 'cut our darlings' and get to the point. Also, I dislike that each edit has to be mod-approved before it goes live. It's very unsatisfying to contribute that way, and makes it impossible to run my regular wiki workflow. [[User:Limerencel|Limerencel]] ([[User talk:Limerencel|talk]]) 04:48, 24 July 2018 (UTC) | :: I would love to contribute. I've made my first edit (removing the poetry intro from this article). We get one chance to blackpill normies, so we have to 'cut our darlings' and get to the point. Also, I dislike that each edit has to be mod-approved before it goes live. It's very unsatisfying to contribute that way, and makes it impossible to run my regular wiki workflow. [[User:Limerencel|Limerencel]] ([[User talk:Limerencel|talk]]) 04:48, 24 July 2018 (UTC) | ||
== Considered adding == | ==Considered adding== | ||
I was considering adding the following sentence: "One of the most alluring aspects of the black pill is that it gives vulnerable people an ideological basis whereby they could reject the barrage of "self-improvement" advice that is ubiquitous in media, advertising and day-today [[platitude]]s. As such, it serves as a shield for people who may otherwise have faced financial or emotional exploitation." [[User:Thebreeze|Thebreeze]] ([[User talk:Thebreeze|talk]]) 15:07, 29 October 2018 (UTC) | I was considering adding the following sentence: "One of the most alluring aspects of the black pill is that it gives vulnerable people an ideological basis whereby they could reject the barrage of "self-improvement" advice that is ubiquitous in media, advertising and day-today [[platitude]]s. As such, it serves as a shield for people who may otherwise have faced financial or emotional exploitation." [[User:Thebreeze|Thebreeze]] ([[User talk:Thebreeze|talk]]) 15:07, 29 October 2018 (UTC) | ||
:If you can make the statement more neutral, that'd be fine. Not all incel forums promote the blackpill concept[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 16:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC) | :If you can make the statement more neutral, that'd be fine. Not all incel forums promote the blackpill concept[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 16:35, 31 October 2018 (UTC) | ||
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This lede in particular was agreed upon by various political factions https://incels.wiki/w/index.php?title=Blackpill&oldid=27289 | This lede in particular was agreed upon by various political factions https://incels.wiki/w/index.php?title=Blackpill&oldid=27289 | ||
=2019= | |||
== Proposal for new lede with focus on tribalism with the redpill == | == Proposal for new lede with focus on tribalism with the redpill == | ||
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Now that the lede has a pretty good summary of political bent.[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 16:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC) | Now that the lede has a pretty good summary of political bent.[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 16:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
=2020= | |||
== Criticism == | == Criticism == | ||
Moving this point here before it is fully examined. | Moving this point here before it is fully examined. | ||
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== Lede neutrality == | == Lede neutrality == | ||
I removed that "Some add to this definition an entire controversial philosophy" because it was cumbersome since anyone who reads "blackpillers believe X" will get that it is a movement/philosophy. | I removed that "Some add to this definition an entire controversial philosophy" because it was cumbersome since anyone who reads "blackpillers believe X" will get that it is a movement/philosophy. | ||
Currently, the lede is not neutral anymore as it highlights the worst members of the movement. | Currently, the lede is not neutral anymore as it highlights the worst members of the movement. | ||
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== New lede == | == New lede == | ||
Altmark22, Limerencel and me have been discussing the lede. We came up with the following alternative which captures the current mainstream meaning better: | Altmark22, Limerencel and me have been discussing the lede. We came up with the following alternative which captures the current mainstream meaning better: | ||
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== Where do blackpillers propose rape as a solution? == | == Where do blackpillers propose rape as a solution? == | ||
The lede now mentions rape. I've never seen this being proposed, so it must be a small minority who advocates that. This brings into question whether the lede is still neutral. [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 12:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC) | The lede now mentions rape. I've never seen this being proposed, so it must be a small minority who advocates that. This brings into question whether the lede is still neutral. [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 12:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC) | ||
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*https://incels.co/threads/why-i-support-the-legalisation-of-rape.142792/ | *https://incels.co/threads/why-i-support-the-legalisation-of-rape.142792/ | ||
*https://incels.co/threads/why-rape-is-bad-and-should-not-be-promoted.135462/#post-2809621 | *https://incels.co/threads/why-rape-is-bad-and-should-not-be-promoted.135462/#post-2809621 | ||
That's just casually searching one blackpill forum. Nathan's sites contain or used to contain more, I'm not sure which are still up. | That's just casually searching one blackpill forum. Nathan's sites contain or used to contain more, I'm not sure which are still up. | ||
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: Just delete it, upon further examination, this tyrionlannister fellows connection to the blackpill appears tenuous at best, and the section is quite poorly written also (very likely not authored by a native English speaker). It could also be rewritten and moved to a page concerned with 'tyrionlannister' himself, as he does appear to touch on incel-relevant subjects sometimes on his blog. [[User:Altmark22|Altmark22]] ([[User talk:Altmark22|talk]]) 14:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC) | : Just delete it, upon further examination, this tyrionlannister fellows connection to the blackpill appears tenuous at best, and the section is quite poorly written also (very likely not authored by a native English speaker). It could also be rewritten and moved to a page concerned with 'tyrionlannister' himself, as he does appear to touch on incel-relevant subjects sometimes on his blog. [[User:Altmark22|Altmark22]] ([[User talk:Altmark22|talk]]) 14:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC) | ||
::ok done [[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 14:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC) | ::ok done [[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 14:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC) | ||
=2022= | |||
==good forum discussions== | |||
We should have a list of good threads which had progressive philosophical debates, like the one at https://incels.is/threads/what-da-fak-incel-wiki-bluepilled.344835 that I'm now participating in. [[User:Wizard32|Wiz]] ([[User talk:Wizard32|talk]]) 04:34, 2 January 2022 (UTC) | |||