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Manospherians are more tolerant to nice guys (see [[Karen Straughan]]) but are very critical of men who they perceive as being much more nice to women than as to men, who they call [[white knight]]s.
Manospherians are more tolerant to nice guys (see [[Karen Straughan]]) but are very critical of men who they perceive as being much more nice to women than as to men, who they call [[white knight]]s.
Both [[womanosphere|womanospherians]] and [[manosphere|manospherians]] accuse men who they perceive as nice guys of deceiving women in dating.
Both [[womanosphere|womanospherians]] and [[manosphere|manospherians]] accuse men who they perceive as nice guys of deceiving women in dating.
[[File:EmpLemon's YouTube Ratio.png|thumb|Niceness also applied to YouTube video rating (table by EmpLemon)<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdGbOT8NXnE</ref>]]


== The "5:1" and "20:1" Theory of Social Conflicts ==
== The "5:1" and "20:1" Theory of Social Conflicts ==
The '''Magic Ratio'''<ref>https://thepowermoves.com/how-to-stay-together/</ref>, invented by Gottman<ref>https://www.johngottman.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Marital-processes-predictive-of-later-dissolution-behavior-physiology-and-health.pdf</ref> & Levenson, this the idea that any good relationship should be 5:1, or the balance of 5 positive interaction per negative interaction when in conflicts. Relationships that are at the verge to break down tend to be in 0.8:1 range ("Negative Sentiment Override"). Most interpret this as Niceness being a virtue, but as others have noted<ref>https://thrivetherapyflorida.com/2018/08/22/how-to-be-an-emotional-millionaire/</ref><ref>http://couplestraininginstitute.com/gottman-couples-and-marital-therapy/</ref>, a ratio of 20:1 or higher is often an indicator of "Positive Sentiment Override", which is when one is having a [[Oneitis]] leading to a breakdown in social relations. Peterson<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQk8W8EnbLs</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesSvXKxYd0</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QVQZSSi_m0</ref> also claimed that 11:1 or higher is enough for someone to be considered a [[Nice Guy]]. An observation to be made here is that the "niceness" scales exponentially. These ratios are also tied to the [[Pareto principle]].
The '''Magic Ratio'''<ref>https://thepowermoves.com/how-to-stay-together/</ref>, invented by Gottman<ref>https://www.johngottman.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Marital-processes-predictive-of-later-dissolution-behavior-physiology-and-health.pdf</ref> & Levenson, this the idea that any good relationship should be 5:1, or the balance of 5 positive interaction per negative interaction when in conflicts. Relationships that are at the verge to break down tend to be in 0.8:1 range ("Negative Sentiment Override"). Most interpret this as Niceness being a virtue, but as others have noted<ref>https://thrivetherapyflorida.com/2018/08/22/how-to-be-an-emotional-millionaire/</ref><ref>http://couplestraininginstitute.com/gottman-couples-and-marital-therapy/</ref>, a ratio of 20:1 or higher is often an indicator of "Positive Sentiment Override", which is when one is having a [[Oneitis]] leading to a breakdown in social relations. Peterson<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQk8W8EnbLs</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesSvXKxYd0</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QVQZSSi_m0</ref> also claimed that 11:1 or higher is enough for someone to be considered a [[Nice Guy]].


This ratio is also applicable to family relationships and friendships, as noted by Gottman. Coincidently, this ratio also coincides with the YouTube "Downvote" ratio<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdGbOT8NXnE</ref> on quality and catering vs controversy (<50% is messed up, 50~79% is mistaken, 80~89% is controversial, 90~96% is normal, 97+% is catering). An observation to be made here is that the "niceness" scales exponentially. These ratios are also tied to the [[Pareto principle]].
== Notable nice guys in the incelosphere ==
== Notable nice guys in the incelosphere ==
The following individuals have been indentified as nice guys by [[normie]]s.
The following individuals have been indentified as nice guys by [[normie]]s.
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