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This widespread media interest in the attack, together with Rodger's pre-massacre Youtube videos showcasing his extreme narcissism (with many of his boasts becoming internet [[meme]]s, in particular, his claim to be "the supreme gentleman"), have combined to make Rodger probably the most notorious self-described incel in history to date. | This widespread media interest in the attack, together with Rodger's pre-massacre Youtube videos showcasing his extreme narcissism (with many of his boasts becoming internet [[meme]]s, in particular, his claim to be "the supreme gentleman"), have combined to make Rodger probably the most notorious self-described incel in history to date. | ||
Rodger himself was never an active member of any self-identified incel community. However, Rodger did self-identify as an incel in a few posts on the (now defunct) [[PSL|Puahate website]]. | Rodger himself was never an active member of any self-identified incel community. However, Rodger did self-identify as an incel in a few posts on the (now defunct) [[PSL|Puahate website]]. | ||
His father (Peter Rodger, a small-time director) was a white British national. His mother (Ong Li Chin) was a Malaysian national of Chinese descent. He lived with his father and his Moroccan step-mother (who he despised) after his parent's divorce. In the time leading up to his rampage, he wrote the lengthy manifesto/autobiography "[[My Twisted World]]." He e-mailed this document to his family members, former acquaintances, and therapists before the attack. | His father (Peter Rodger, a small-time director) was a white British national. His mother (Ong Li Chin) was a Malaysian national of Chinese descent. He lived with his father and his Moroccan step-mother (who he despised) after his parent's divorce. In the time leading up to his rampage, he wrote the lengthy manifesto/autobiography "[[My Twisted World]]." He e-mailed this document to his family members, former acquaintances, and therapists before the attack. | ||
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The attacks were opportunistically seized upon by some members of the [[Mainstream_media|media]], and [[feminists]] to demonize men in general, and also to attack the [[manosphere]] and [[incelosphere]], indicting them for inciting the attack.<ref>https://nypost.com/2014/05/26/killers-links-to-the-mens-rights-activist-movement/</ref> While Rodger was arguably someone who visited a small part of the [[manosphere]], he was not part of the incelosphere as such. | The attacks were opportunistically seized upon by some members of the [[Mainstream_media|media]], and [[feminists]] to demonize men in general, and also to attack the [[manosphere]] and [[incelosphere]], indicting them for inciting the attack.<ref>https://nypost.com/2014/05/26/killers-links-to-the-mens-rights-activist-movement/</ref> While Rodger was arguably someone who visited a small part of the [[manosphere]], he was not part of the incelosphere as such. | ||
==Inceldom== | |||
In the incelosphere, it is a common debate to what extent Elliot Rodger experienced inceldom as a life circumstance, given his apparent exclusive focus on attractive white women as the object of his desire. Thus, many incels accuse him of having excessive standards. As he apparently never romantically approached women or used dating websites, it seems one of his major issues was that he suffered from extreme shyness. However, his shyness also appears to have been induced by the evident lack of attraction and warmth women frequently displayed towards him. His tentative attempts at approaching women didn't go well. | |||
It is common for people to claim that Elliot Rodger was "good-looking." However, his relatively diminutive stature and small frame likely did put him at a distinct disadvantage in the environment he was competing in, as it seems that bulkiness and physical dominance is a large predictor of men's mating success in such contexts (college fraternities and the like).<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Among_male_university_students.2C_only_cues_of_physical_dominance_over_other_men_predicted_their_mating_success</ref> Rodger was aware of this to some extent, as he called such men "obnoxious brutes." An acquaintance of his, Gavin, did confirm that "the girls in Isla Vista prefer tall, muscular, rowdy jock-type men." | |||
Another point that people often make in contention of Rodger's incel status was that he was apparently wealthy, wearing expensive designer clothes and driving a flashy BMW. However, Rodger's family was reasonably asset-rich but lacked liquid assets and cash, and Isla Vista is a reasonably affluent area. Male wealth also seems less important to young women,<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/File:Okcupidincomepill.png</ref> with said women possibly placing more emphasis on physical attractiveness and behavioral traits that they are attracted to. To the extent they care about wealth, it is likely reducible to sugar daddy relationships or gift-giving, and Rodger could not provide this experience to women as he had a relatively modest allowance. Young women also probably care more about future earning potential than actual wealth at such ages, and there was no real sign Rodger was on a life track that would lead him to success. To leverage his (actually mediocre) wealth, Rodger would likely have to move to a less wealthy part of the United States or even travel to a third-world country to get sex from it. | |||
Rodger did mention seeing many "low-class trash" men with attractive women, which infuriated him. However, he eventually decided that as women clearly didn't find him attractive (as they seemingly ignored him completely), his only hope of sexual success was to earn wealth become a provider or a sugar-daddy for a woman. Given this realization of his, it is understandable to question why Rodger didn't simply pay for a prostitute, though this was likely countermanded by his narcissism. In his manifesto, Rodger heavily implies he essentially desired validation from women most of all and the social proof and acceptance that having a girlfriend would provide him, which a prostitute couldn't provide. | |||
Finally, Rodger was autistic, and this fact was obviously reflected in his behavior and demeanor. Autism (particularly in males) seems quite strongly associated with lifelong inceldom and low sexual success.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Asperger%27s_Syndrome#Autism_and_sexual_success</ref> | |||
In his "manifesto," Rodger often spoke of feeling invisible and being passed over by both men and women, saying they treated him like a "mouse." He was also frequently bullied by others who perceived him as being different from them. This pattern of dismissive or contemptuous treatment from his peers infuriated Rodger, who was very vain, likely another contributing factor to his eventual course of action. | |||
In sum, a confluence of factors were clearly militating against Rodger's sexual success, and this, combined with his excessive (but fragile) self-worth, it seems fair to classify him as an incel in the [https://incels.wiki/w/Incel#Definition broad sense of the term]. | |||
==Interests== | ==Interests== | ||