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*Sex is regarded as the most satisfying and joyous experience and ~70% of men report "sex is essential to feeling good about oneself".<ref name="ref25">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Sex_is_the_most_pleasurable.2C_joyous.2C_and_meaningful_human_experience</ref>
*Sex is regarded as the most satisfying and joyous experience and ~70% of men report "sex is essential to feeling good about oneself".<ref name="ref25">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Sex_is_the_most_pleasurable.2C_joyous.2C_and_meaningful_human_experience</ref>
*Such reports are likely subject to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_desirability_bias social desirability bias], meaning men might not say they need sex to avoid violating [[sexual modesty]] norms and being perceived as shallow and sex-driven.
*Such reports are likely subject to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_desirability_bias social desirability bias], meaning men might not say they need sex to avoid violating [[sexual modesty]] norms and being perceived as shallow and sex-driven.
* About half of adult virgins in their late 20s and early 30s report they do not feel attracted to the opposite sex, which counts as volceldom, however virginity is rare at this age, agreeing with the 1% figure for asexuals mentioned above.<ref name="haydon2013">Haydon, A. A., Cheng, M. M., Herring, A. H., McRee, A.-L., & Halpern, C. T. (2013). Prevalence and Predictors of Sexual Inexperience in Adulthood. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 43(2), 221–230. doi:10.1007/s10508-013-0164-3</ref>
*About half of adult virgins in their late 20s and early 30s report they do not feel attracted to the opposite sex, which counts as volceldom, however virginity is rare at this age, agreeing with the 1% figure for asexuals mentioned above.<ref name="haydon2013">Haydon, A. A., Cheng, M. M., Herring, A. H., McRee, A.-L., & Halpern, C. T. (2013). Prevalence and Predictors of Sexual Inexperience in Adulthood. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 43(2), 221–230. doi:10.1007/s10508-013-0164-3</ref>
* Only 11% of university students are [[volcel]]s,<ref>https://archive.is/e7SM6</ref> even though university students tend to be slow life history strategists.
*Only 11% of university students are [[volcel]]s,<ref>https://archive.is/e7SM6</ref> even though university students tend to be slow life history strategists.


Assuming some social desirability bias, one can assume only very few of the sexless are [[volcel|volcels]], so there were likely '''around 15% to 30% millennial male incels''' in 2018,<ref>This figure was computed by arbitrarily subtracting a volcel rate among the sexless of ~25% for the lower bound and ~15% for the upper bound of the 2018 confidence interval and then rounding to the next multiple of 5 to get nice figures.<br />Limitations: For one, singles who reported to prefer their singlehood in Poortman & Liebroer could be having casual sex otherwise.
Assuming some social desirability bias, one can assume only very few of the sexless are [[volcel|volcels]], so there were likely '''around 15% to 30% millennial male incels''' in 2018,<ref>This figure was computed by arbitrarily subtracting a volcel rate among the sexless of ~25% for the lower bound and ~15% for the upper bound of the 2018 confidence interval and then rounding to the next multiple of 5 to get nice figures.<br />Limitations: For one, singles who reported to prefer their singlehood in Poortman & Liebroer could be having casual sex otherwise.
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This agrees with other findings of a rise of sexual inequality. The most sexually active men have more sex than ever,<ref name="moresex">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_top_5-20.25_of_men_.28ie._.22Chads.22.29_are_now_having_more_sex_than_ever_before</ref><ref name="tinder1">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women_get_2-3_times_as_many_casual_sexual_relationships_from_Tinder_than_men</ref> which may indicate a slight rise in open relationships, men engaging in 'casual sex' with a quick succession of sex partners, possibly facilitated by online dating,<ref name="ref33">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women_get_2-3_times_as_many_casual_sexual_relationships_from_Tinder_than_men</ref> [[serial monogamy]] and other forms of ''de facto [[polygamy]]'', accompanied by a rise in acceptance of polygamy.<ref>https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/214601/moral-acceptance-polygamy-record-high-why.aspx</ref>
This agrees with other findings of a rise of sexual inequality. The most sexually active men have more sex than ever,<ref name="moresex">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_top_5-20.25_of_men_.28ie._.22Chads.22.29_are_now_having_more_sex_than_ever_before</ref><ref name="tinder1">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women_get_2-3_times_as_many_casual_sexual_relationships_from_Tinder_than_men</ref> which may indicate a slight rise in open relationships, men engaging in 'casual sex' with a quick succession of sex partners, possibly facilitated by online dating,<ref name="ref33">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women_get_2-3_times_as_many_casual_sexual_relationships_from_Tinder_than_men</ref> [[serial monogamy]] and other forms of ''de facto [[polygamy]]'', accompanied by a rise in acceptance of polygamy.<ref>https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/214601/moral-acceptance-polygamy-record-high-why.aspx</ref>


=== Conclusion ===
===Conclusion===


Young people generally have less sex and men even slightly less. Also, a minority has more sex at the same time, without causing an overall increase though. But the largest changes are less stable relationships and later marriage for both sexes rather than alpha males hoarding all women. Still, a small minority of young people is having plenty of sex and seems to increasingly engage in polygynous mating styles among them.<ref name="moresex"></ref><ref name="tinder1"></ref> With humans being a moderately polygamous species, the tendency that men are more likely sexless can be observed across the world as summarized below and also in terms of [[reproductive success]],<ref>Brown, G.R., Laland, K.N. and Mulder, M.B. 2009. ''Bateman's principles and human sex roles.'' [[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169534709001128 FullText]]</ref> and is likely a result of women's higher [[Bateman's principle|parental investment]].
Young people generally have less sex and men even slightly less. Also, a minority has more sex at the same time, without causing an overall increase though. But the largest changes are less stable relationships and later marriage for both sexes rather than alpha males hoarding all women. Still, a small minority of young people is having plenty of sex and seems to increasingly engage in polygynous mating styles among them.<ref name="moresex"></ref><ref name="tinder1"></ref> With humans being a moderately polygamous species, the tendency that men are more likely sexless can be observed across the world as summarized below and also in terms of [[reproductive success]],<ref>Brown, G.R., Laland, K.N. and Mulder, M.B. 2009. ''Bateman's principles and human sex roles.'' [[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169534709001128 FullText]]</ref> and is likely a result of women's higher [[Bateman's principle|parental investment]].
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In data from Finland (see the [[#Finland|Finland section]]), women have become twice as likely to not have been in love with their first sex partner (from 82% down to nearly 39%) over the course of over 80 years, whereas men's answers remained unchanged around 50%.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeYts4AzRUo</ref> This may reflect that young women more often are promiscuous like men, and just engage in sex for near-term gratification.  But a number of other explanations are conceivable, e.g. that women's love may require a [[orgasms for resources|resource dependence]]. A change in promiscuous behavior, however, is also evidenced by later-born women also more readily say they'd be willing to have sex without being in love (up from 20% to around 80%), also in the Finnish data.
In data from Finland (see the [[#Finland|Finland section]]), women have become twice as likely to not have been in love with their first sex partner (from 82% down to nearly 39%) over the course of over 80 years, whereas men's answers remained unchanged around 50%.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeYts4AzRUo</ref> This may reflect that young women more often are promiscuous like men, and just engage in sex for near-term gratification.  But a number of other explanations are conceivable, e.g. that women's love may require a [[orgasms for resources|resource dependence]]. A change in promiscuous behavior, however, is also evidenced by later-born women also more readily say they'd be willing to have sex without being in love (up from 20% to around 80%), also in the Finnish data.


=== Are late marriage and reproduction unnatural? ===
===Are late marriage and reproduction unnatural?===
[[File:AgeAtFirstMarriage.png|thumb|400px|Boomers were an exception, but marriage is now particularly late for women. The narrowing age gap may be caused by a [[virtue signaling|moral panic]].]]
[[File:AgeAtFirstMarriage.png|thumb|400px|Boomers were an exception, but marriage is now particularly late for women. The narrowing age gap may be caused by a [[virtue signaling|moral panic]].]]
[[File:World_map_of_Age_at_First_Marriage.png|thumb|Regions with fast-life strategists such as Africa tend to have earlier marriages, on average.]]
[[File:World_map_of_Age_at_First_Marriage.png|thumb|Regions with fast-life strategists such as Africa tend to have earlier marriages, on average.]]
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The prevalence of inceldom can possibly estimated by the popularity of the search term "incel" on Google.<ref>https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=incel</ref> In the time period from 5/19/20 to 5/19/21, the following popularity values were found. Note that Google produced trend outputs as a fraction of the popularity in the country where the search term is the most popular:
The prevalence of inceldom can possibly estimated by the popularity of the search term "incel" on Google.<ref>https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=incel</ref> In the time period from 5/19/20 to 5/19/21, the following popularity values were found. Note that Google produced trend outputs as a fraction of the popularity in the country where the search term is the most popular:
{| class="wikitable sortable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"
|+Search term popularity of "incel" in different countries
|'''Country'''
|'''Search term popularity'''
|-
|Norway
|100
|-
|Canada
|90
|-
|Finland
|89
|-
|Bosnia & Herzegovina
|81
|-
|United States
|69
|-
|Sweden
|64
|-
|Australia
|63
|-
|Singapore
|60
|-
|Ireland
|58
|-
|New Zealand
|56
|-
|United Kingdom
|56
|-
|Chile
|50
|-
|Brazil
|43
|-
|Croatia
|43
|-
|Poland
|41
|-
|Italy
|40
|-
|Austria
|36
|-
|Philippines
|36
|-
|Germany
|35
|-
|Denmark
|33
|-
|Lithuania
|33
|-
|Portugal
|33
|-
|Czechia
|29
|-
|Hungary
|27
|-
|Mexico
|27
|-
|Netherlands
|27
|-
|Serbia
|27
|-
|Costa Rica
|26
|-
|Kenya
|26
|-
|Romania
|26
|-
|Spain
|26
|-
|Switzerland
|24
|-
|United Arab Emirates
|21
|-
|Argentina
|20
|-
|Hong Kong
|20
|-
|Malaysia
|20
|-
|Slovakia
|20
|-
|Belgium
|18
|-
|South Africa
|18
|-
|Turkey
|18
|-
|Bangladesh
|16
|-
|Colombia
|16
|-
|Greece
|16
|-
|France
|15
|-
|Peru
|15
|-
|Pakistan
|12
|-
|Israel
|10
|-
|Saudi Arabia
|10
|-
|South Korea
|10
|-
|Venezuela
|10
|-
|India
|7
|-
|Nigeria
|7
|-
|Russia
|7
|-
|Indonesia
|6
|-
|Ukraine
|4
|-
|Vietnam
|3
|-
|Japan
|1
|}




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The key findings in regards to the prevalence of the incel problem in the country are:
The key findings in regards to the prevalence of the incel problem in the country are:
*More men than women reported sexual experience in all age brackets but the youngest (aged 18-19). However, as the sample size for the youngest age bracket was small, it is unknown if this difference is statistically significant. Among men in their 20s, around 25% were virgins (compared to around 35% of women in this age bracket). Virginity rates steadily decreased with age among men, with around 4% of men in their 30s still reporting a lack of sexual experience, compared to around 13% of women in their 30s.
*More men than women reported sexual experience in all age brackets but the youngest (aged 18-19). However, as the sample size for the youngest age bracket was small, it is unknown if this difference is statistically significant. Among men in their 20s, around 25% were virgins (compared to around 35% of women in this age bracket). Virginity rates steadily decreased with age among men, with around 4% of men in their 30s still reporting a lack of sexual experience, compared to around 13% of women in their 30s.
*Among men of low education levels (high school education or less) or in the lowest income bracket (900 USD or less a month), the aforementioned sex difference in sexual experience was reversed, with more women in these education and income brackets reporting prior sexual experience.
*Among men of low education levels (high school education or less) or in the lowest income bracket (900 USD or less a month), the aforementioned sex difference in sexual experience was reversed, with more women in these education and income brackets reporting prior sexual experience.
*In terms of the reported engagement in sexual activity in the last year (among those with sexual experience), women in the age bracket of 18-39 were more likely to report having had a sexual partner in the previous year than men in these age brackets. It is unclear if the sex difference found here is significant for the 18-19 age bracket as the sample size is too low to detect a significant effect. Still, such a sex gap would be concordant with the sex differences found for the younger age brackets if it would prove to be evident with a larger sample size.  
*In terms of the reported engagement in sexual activity in the last year (among those with sexual experience), women in the age bracket of 18-39 were more likely to report having had a sexual partner in the previous year than men in these age brackets. It is unclear if the sex difference found here is significant for the 18-19 age bracket as the sample size is too low to detect a significant effect. Still, such a sex gap would be concordant with the sex differences found for the younger age brackets if it would prove to be evident with a larger sample size.
*The biggest sex gap found (in terms of being currently sexually active) was in the 20-29 age bracket, with 58.8% of these men reporting sexual activity in the last 12 months compared to 78.6% of the women of this age.
*The biggest sex gap found (in terms of being currently sexually active) was in the 20-29 age bracket, with 58.8% of these men reporting sexual activity in the last 12 months compared to 78.6% of the women of this age.
*Women of all age brackets reported substantially less engagement in casual sexual activities than men. This sex discrepancy in reporting engagement in promiscuous sexual activity is likely due to a mix of factors.<br />Firstly, in a society with highly conservative attitudes to extra-martial sexual behaviors engaged in by women, such as South Korea, women are very likely to downplay their engagement in casual sexual activity, even in anonymous surveys.<br />Secondly, many men may be [[pump and dump|leading women on by promising investment]] while they, but not the women in question, consider the relationship to be casual in nature ('friends with benefits'). <br />Thirdly, although prostitution is illegal in South Korea, the country apparently has a large sex trade, with 20 percent of men aged between 20-64 reportedly visiting prostitutes up to 4.5 times a month on average.<ref>https://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=260</ref> It is estimated that sex work contributes a greater portion of the GDP in South Korea than the agricultural sector (ibid). In light of the above information, it is likely that a lot of the casual sexual encounters reported by men in this survey were with prostitutes.
*Women of all age brackets reported substantially less engagement in casual sexual activities than men. This sex discrepancy in reporting engagement in promiscuous sexual activity is likely due to a mix of factors.<br />Firstly, in a society with highly conservative attitudes to extra-martial sexual behaviors engaged in by women, such as South Korea, women are very likely to downplay their engagement in casual sexual activity, even in anonymous surveys.<br />Secondly, many men may be [[pump and dump|leading women on by promising investment]] while they, but not the women in question, consider the relationship to be casual in nature ('friends with benefits'). <br />Thirdly, although prostitution is illegal in South Korea, the country apparently has a large sex trade, with 20 percent of men aged between 20-64 reportedly visiting prostitutes up to 4.5 times a month on average.<ref>https://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=260</ref> It is estimated that sex work contributes a greater portion of the GDP in South Korea than the agricultural sector (ibid). In light of the above information, it is likely that a lot of the casual sexual encounters reported by men in this survey were with prostitutes.
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In a survey by YouGov from 2019, around 18% of men said they had no close friends. Only 12% of women said the same.<ref>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21041784</ref><ref>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7488709/One-five-men-no-friends-loneliness-epidemic-leaves-thousands-living-isolation.html</ref>
In a survey by YouGov from 2019, around 18% of men said they had no close friends. Only 12% of women said the same.<ref>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21041784</ref><ref>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7488709/One-five-men-no-friends-loneliness-epidemic-leaves-thousands-living-isolation.html</ref>


== Incel and volcel categories ==
==Incel and volcel categories==


One can broadly distinguish different demographic groups that experience mating difficulties or voluntarily abstain from sex:
One can broadly distinguish different demographic groups that experience mating difficulties or voluntarily abstain from sex:


* '''Late adult virgins, perma-virgins, Wizards etc.:''' Virgins older than 30 are rare (1-2%)<ref>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf</ref> and they strongly differ from the overall population.
*'''Late adult virgins, perma-virgins, Wizards etc.:''' Virgins older than 30 are rare (1-2%)<ref>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf</ref> and they strongly differ from the overall population.
** By far the most distinguishing feature of adult virgins aged around 28 years, is that about 50% identify as [[asexual]]s ([[volcel]]s) while only 1% of the overall population identifies as asexual.<ref name="haydon2013"></ref><ref name="asexuals"></ref> In one national probability sample, there were 29.23% of males in the sample of asexuals (N = 195), but 43.17% among sexuals (N = 18,426, X² = 15.30, p < 0.001),<ref>https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=17133744500922136515&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5</ref> suggesting women are more likely [[volcel]]s, in accordance with their lower [[sex drive]]. But provided that male perma-virgins outnumber female perma-virgins in various countries, should suggest that voluntary femcels are somewhat overrepresented among perma-virgins.
**By far the most distinguishing feature of adult virgins aged around 28 years, is that about 50% identify as [[asexual]]s ([[volcel]]s) while only 1% of the overall population identifies as asexual.<ref name="haydon2013"></ref><ref name="asexuals"></ref> In one national probability sample, there were 29.23% of males in the sample of asexuals (N = 195), but 43.17% among sexuals (N = 18,426, X² = 15.30, p < 0.001),<ref>https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=17133744500922136515&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5</ref> suggesting women are more likely [[volcel]]s, in accordance with their lower [[sex drive]]. But provided that male perma-virgins outnumber female perma-virgins in various countries, should suggest that voluntary femcels are somewhat overrepresented among perma-virgins.
** Adult virgins are also a bit more likely overweight, low-functioning and/or physically unattractive when compared to [[sex haver]]s, and they tend to have markers of a slow [[life history]], e.g. lower engagement in risky behavior, later onset of puberty, are more often East Asian.<ref name="haydon2013"></ref> Further, there is an overrepresentation of women getting college degrees.<ref name="haydon2013"></ref> Overall, however, [[looks]] are only weakly related to sexual success.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320299645_The_challenge_of_starting_and_keeping_a_relationship_Prevalence_rates_and_predictors_of_poor_mating_performance</ref>
**Adult virgins are also a bit more likely overweight, low-functioning and/or physically unattractive when compared to [[sex haver]]s, and they tend to have markers of a slow [[life history]], e.g. lower engagement in risky behavior, later onset of puberty, are more often East Asian.<ref name="haydon2013"></ref> Further, there is an overrepresentation of women getting college degrees.<ref name="haydon2013"></ref> Overall, however, [[looks]] are only weakly related to sexual success.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320299645_The_challenge_of_starting_and_keeping_a_relationship_Prevalence_rates_and_predictors_of_poor_mating_performance</ref>
* '''Early adult virgins:''' This category is increasingly common these days, with about half of U.S. 12th graders never having dated. This being a much larger demographic group than late adult virgins, it is expected to differ much less from the overall population.
*'''Early adult virgins:''' This category is increasingly common these days, with about half of U.S. 12th graders never having dated. This being a much larger demographic group than late adult virgins, it is expected to differ much less from the overall population.
* '''Dry spells''': Even more common is the category of the sexually frustrated or those experiencing [[dry spell]]s with 51% of U.S. millenials not having had a steady partner in 2018, and roughly 30% reporting to be often or always lonely.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#30.25_of_millennials_are_often_or_always_lonely_and_22.25_have_no_friends</ref> Being a large share of the population, this group is expected to differ very little from the overall population.
*'''Dry spells''': Even more common is the category of the sexually frustrated or those experiencing [[dry spell]]s with 51% of U.S. millenials not having had a steady partner in 2018, and roughly 30% reporting to be often or always lonely.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#30.25_of_millennials_are_often_or_always_lonely_and_22.25_have_no_friends</ref> Being a large share of the population, this group is expected to differ very little from the overall population.
* '''Dead bedroom''': A special incel case is that of [[marcel|husbandcels]] in [[deadbedroomer|dead bedroom]] couples, as women lose their sex drive much sooner than men, especially when cohabiting closely.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women_rapidly_lose_interest_in_sex_once_in_a_stable_relationship_or_living_with_a_man</ref> This affects about 10-20% of couples.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexless_marriage</ref>
*'''Dead bedroom''': A special incel case is that of [[marcel|husbandcels]] in [[deadbedroomer|dead bedroom]] couples, as women lose their sex drive much sooner than men, especially when cohabiting closely.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women_rapidly_lose_interest_in_sex_once_in_a_stable_relationship_or_living_with_a_man</ref> This affects about 10-20% of couples.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexless_marriage</ref>
* '''By life history speed''':
*'''By life history speed''':
** Fast life history incels may be the most sexually frustrated and may be facing an [[evolutionary mismatch]] due to a recent decline in casual sexual behavior and related risky behavior during adolescence and early adulthood, or fast life history minorities living in a host population with a slow life history (see the [[#Race|race section]]). However, despite sexual activity during youth having declined in the U.S., a minority of fast life history strategists appears to be having more sex than ever at the same time.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_top_5-20.25_of_men_.28ie._.22Chads.22.29_are_now_having_more_sex_than_ever_before</ref>
**Fast life history incels may be the most sexually frustrated and may be facing an [[evolutionary mismatch]] due to a recent decline in casual sexual behavior and related risky behavior during adolescence and early adulthood, or fast life history minorities living in a host population with a slow life history (see the [[#Race|race section]]). However, despite sexual activity during youth having declined in the U.S., a minority of fast life history strategists appears to be having more sex than ever at the same time.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_top_5-20.25_of_men_.28ie._.22Chads.22.29_are_now_having_more_sex_than_ever_before</ref>
** Slow life history incels may also be facing an evolutionary mismatch, such as expecting [[arranged marriage|to be married]] as was common throughout history, but not getting married due to the recent decline in marriage norms,<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704919887706</ref> or women getting college degrees [[hypergamy|refusing to date down]].
**Slow life history incels may also be facing an evolutionary mismatch, such as expecting [[arranged marriage|to be married]] as was common throughout history, but not getting married due to the recent decline in marriage norms,<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704919887706</ref> or women getting college degrees [[hypergamy|refusing to date down]].


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