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== Personality ==
== Personality ==


What can be achieved by personality traits like confidence/extroversion, niceness etc. ("[[game]]") during courtship seems to be highly overrated as research indicates initial romantic interest is mainly about looks and that personality traits do not play any role.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_speed_dating</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_video_dating</ref><ref name="walster">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_blind_dating</ref> Furthermore, access to women is thought to be largely determined by [[dominance hierarchy|dominance status]] among males as determined by [[LMS|looks, resources, status]], [[IQ|competence]], [[neurotypical]]ity etc, rather than direct courtship.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Men.27s_social_status_accounts_for_62.25_of_the_variance_of_copulation_opportunities</ref>
What can be achieved by personality traits like confidence/extroversion, niceness etc. ("[[game]]") during courtship seems to be highly overrated as research indicates initial romantic interest is mainly about looks and that personality traits do not play any role.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_speed_dating</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_video_dating</ref><ref name="walster">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_blind_dating</ref> Furthermore, access to women is thought to be largely determined by [[dominance hierarchy|dominance status]] among males as determined by [[LMS|looks, resources, status]], [[IQ|competence]], [[neurotypical]]ity etc, rather than direct courtship.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Men.27s_social_status_accounts_for_62.25_of_the_variance_of_copulation_opportunities</ref> However, past the initial meeting where only looks matter, both personality and looks are only weakly predictive of long-term and life-long mating performance.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320299645_The_challenge_of_starting_and_keeping_a_relationship_Prevalence_rates_and_predictors_of_poor_mating_performance</ref>


Human courtship hence mainly amounts to a [[Sex drive#Female_passivity|coy waiting time]] in which the female tests her suitor and gathers social information about his status,<ref name="tradeinfo">Wachtmeister, C.A. and Enquist, M., 1999. ''The evolution of female coyness–trading time for information.'' [[https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2008.1273 Abstract]]</ref><ref name="optimal">McNamara, J.M., Fromhage, L., Barta, Z. and Houston, A.I.. 2008. ''The optimal coyness game.'' [[https://doi.org/10.1046/j.1439-0310.1999.00487.x Abstract]]</ref><ref name="biobasis">Grammer K. 1989. ''Human  courtship  behaviour: biological  basis  and  cognitive processing.'' In: Rasa, A.E., Vogel, C. and Voland,E. (eds.): The Sociobiology of Sexual and Reproductive Strategies Chapmann and Hall,1989, New York. [[https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8eab/95d1298b5165b84872c533f4f46a7805a0e4.pdf FullText]]</ref> which can either be overcome by waiting or coercion in shape of marriage or physical force.
Human courtship hence mainly amounts to a [[Sex drive#Female_passivity|coy waiting time]] in which the female tests her suitor and gathers social information about his status,<ref name="tradeinfo">Wachtmeister, C.A. and Enquist, M., 1999. ''The evolution of female coyness–trading time for information.'' [[https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2008.1273 Abstract]]</ref><ref name="optimal">McNamara, J.M., Fromhage, L., Barta, Z. and Houston, A.I.. 2008. ''The optimal coyness game.'' [[https://doi.org/10.1046/j.1439-0310.1999.00487.x Abstract]]</ref><ref name="biobasis">Grammer K. 1989. ''Human  courtship  behaviour: biological  basis  and  cognitive processing.'' In: Rasa, A.E., Vogel, C. and Voland,E. (eds.): The Sociobiology of Sexual and Reproductive Strategies Chapmann and Hall,1989, New York. [[https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8eab/95d1298b5165b84872c533f4f46a7805a0e4.pdf FullText]]</ref> which can either be overcome by waiting or coercion in shape of marriage or physical force. In fact, the only male personality traits that do seem to matter in terms of sexual success are dark personality traits such as psychopathy,<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Personality</ref> which are generally related to a higher [[sex drive]], fast [[life history]] predispositions and a more coercive sexuality. This notion is corroborated by research by Eibl Eibesfeldt who concluded the male dominate/female surrender pattern in human sexuality may be a remnant of ancient courtship adaptations in which pair formation only succeeds when the male is able to [[mogging|dominate]] the female, a behavior that can be observed in many reptiles, birds, and mammals.<ref>Eibl-Eibesfeldt I. 1989. ''Pair Formation, Courtship, Sexual Love.'' In: ''Human Ethology.'' Rougtledge. [[https://books.google.com/books?id=-CExDwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT6&ots=KctjD7Zprm&dq=Pair%20Formation%2C%20Courtship%2C%20Sexual%20Love&pg=PT335#v=onepage&q=Pair%20Formation,%20Courtship,%20Sexual%20Love&f=false Excerpt]]</ref> However, these are generally fast [[life history]] traits and does not apply to all women to the same degree.


Women may be a bit less coy if the man is good looking and sexy because potentially better looking and/or healthier offspring will make up for any potential flaws regarding character or resource provision,<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_attractiveness_gap_in_a_couple_predicts_how_long_they_wait_before_engaging_in_sex</ref>
Women may be a bit less coy if the man is good looking and sexy because potentially better looking and/or healthier offspring will make up for any potential flaws regarding character or resource provision,<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_attractiveness_gap_in_a_couple_predicts_how_long_they_wait_before_engaging_in_sex</ref>
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But anecdotal evidence suggests most women make even good looking men wait (though perhaps shorter), with women with a fast [[life history]] predisposition generally waiting less.
But anecdotal evidence suggests most women make even good looking men wait (though perhaps shorter), with women with a fast [[life history]] predisposition generally waiting less.


The only male personality traits that do seem to matter are dark personality traits such as psychopathy.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Personality</ref> This notion is corroborated by research by Eibl Eibesfeldt who concluded the male dominate/female surrender pattern in human sexuality may be a remnant of ancient courtship adaptations in which pair formation only succeeds when the male is able to [[mogging|dominate]] the female, a behavior that can be observed in many reptiles, birds, and mammals.<ref>Eibl-Eibesfeldt I. 1989. ''Pair Formation, Courtship, Sexual Love.'' In: ''Human Ethology.'' Rougtledge. [[https://books.google.com/books?id=-CExDwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT6&ots=KctjD7Zprm&dq=Pair%20Formation%2C%20Courtship%2C%20Sexual%20Love&pg=PT335#v=onepage&q=Pair%20Formation,%20Courtship,%20Sexual%20Love&f=false Excerpt]]</ref> Though these are generally fast [[life history]] traits and does not apply to all women to the same degree.
Besides social dominance, the ideal and natural mating strategy appears to be to blend in and socialize. [[Autism|Autists]] are heavily disadvantaged in this regard as they have difficulties producing spontaneous and appropriate facial expressions and other social signals,<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Autists_are_judged_as_awkward.2C_less_physically_attractive_and_less_approachable_within_seconds</ref>
 
which appears weird to others, stands out, is a threat to the reputation of the group. The social rejection of autists may be an instance of the [[wikipedia:Behavioral_immune_system|behavioral immune system]] or an instance of [[intrasexual competition]].
Besides (non-agressive) dominance, the ideal and natural mating strategy strategy appears to be to blend in and socialize. [[Autism|Autists]] are heavily disadvantaged in this regard as they have difficulties producing spontaneous and appropriate facial expressions and other social signals,<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Autists_are_judged_as_awkward.2C_less_physically_attractive_and_less_approachable_within_seconds</ref>
which appears weird to others, stands out, is a threat to the reputation of the group, and may be an instance of the [[wikipedia:Behavioral_immune_system|behavioral immune system]].


== Expensiveness of courtship ==
== Expensiveness of courtship ==
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