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== Ineffectiveness == | == Ineffectiveness == | ||
Multiple studies on face-to-face, [[online dating|online]] and [[blind dating]] concluded that among a variety of physical and personality traits, including extroversion, ''only physical attractiveness'' predicted initial romantic interest and strongly so.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_speed_dating</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_video_dating</ref><ref name="walster">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_blind_dating</ref> Since game largely amounts to extroversion and confidence, this suggests game is ineffective in such settings as only looks matter. One of these studies dates back to 1966,<ref name="walster"></ref> | Multiple studies on face-to-face, [[online dating|online]] and [[blind dating]] concluded that among a variety of physical and personality traits, including extroversion, ''only physical attractiveness'' predicted initial romantic interest and strongly so.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_speed_dating</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_video_dating</ref><ref name="walster">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_blind_dating</ref> Since game largely amounts to extroversion and confidence, this suggests game is ineffective in such settings as only looks matter. One of these studies dates back to 1966,<ref name="walster"></ref> meaning this superficiality in face-to-face dating at zero-acquaintance level is not a new phenomenon. | ||
Similarly, when OkCupid asked users to rate looks and personality separately, users did not distinguish between the two.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Your_looks_define_perception_of_your_personality_in_online_dating</ref> To confirm their hypothesis that pictures were what people were rating as good personality, OkCupid followed up with another internal study which showed that online bio text accounts for less than 10% of what users think of the profiles.<ref>https://archive.li/QNCbf</ref> This means ''game'' in terms of witty and confident textual self-descriptions is also largely ineffective. | Similarly, when OkCupid asked users to rate looks and personality separately, users did not distinguish between the two.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Your_looks_define_perception_of_your_personality_in_online_dating</ref> To confirm their hypothesis that pictures were what people were rating as good personality, OkCupid followed up with another internal study which showed that online bio text accounts for less than 10% of what users think of the profiles.<ref>https://archive.li/QNCbf</ref> This means ''game'' in terms of witty and confident textual self-descriptions is also largely ineffective. | ||
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Arguably, game in terms of charm, social skill and Machiavellian behavior may be effective outside of the face-to-face dating context, e.g. during socializing in a group, which is the more natural human mating context anyhow.<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704919887706</ref> In a social context, confidence, charm and related social skills may act as means of gaining [[dominance hierarchy|social status]] and intimidating other males in [[intrasexual competition]]s which, in turn, enables men access to women.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Men.27s_social_status_accounts_for_62.25_of_the_variance_of_copulation_opportunities</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Among_male_university_students.2C_only_cues_of_physical_dominance_over_other_men_predicted_their_mating_success</ref> This intuition is perhaps what misleads PUAs to believe related behavior would be an effective dating strategy in the face-to-face setting. | Arguably, game in terms of charm, social skill and Machiavellian behavior may be effective outside of the face-to-face dating context, e.g. during socializing in a group, which is the more natural human mating context anyhow.<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704919887706</ref> In a social context, confidence, charm and related social skills may act as means of gaining [[dominance hierarchy|social status]] and intimidating other males in [[intrasexual competition]]s which, in turn, enables men access to women.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Men.27s_social_status_accounts_for_62.25_of_the_variance_of_copulation_opportunities</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Among_male_university_students.2C_only_cues_of_physical_dominance_over_other_men_predicted_their_mating_success</ref> This intuition is perhaps what misleads PUAs to believe related behavior would be an effective dating strategy in the face-to-face setting. | ||
It would be inaccurate to say personality does not matter. For example, there is a line of research (however yet to be reproduced) on "mating intelligence" suggesting a correlation of r = .41 with mating success.<ref>https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2050/14/1/article-p1.xml</ref> | It would be inaccurate to say personality does not matter at all. For example, there is a line of research (however yet to be reproduced) on "mating intelligence" suggesting a correlation of r = .41 with mating success.<ref>https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2050/14/1/article-p1.xml</ref> | ||
Confidence also exerts an effect on male attractiveness as judged by women.<ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jopy.12568</ref> | Confidence also exerts an effect on male attractiveness as judged by women.<ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jopy.12568</ref> | ||
Relatedly, one result suggests the link between testosterone and mating success is also not mediated by looks, but behavior (though this study considered serum T levels, rather than measures of androgyny and pre-natal exposure to androgens).<ref>https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/mhmvb3/testosterone_correlates_with_mating_success_but/</ref> | Relatedly, one result suggests the link between testosterone and mating success is also not mediated by looks, but behavior (though this study considered serum T levels, rather than measures of androgyny and pre-natal exposure to androgens).<ref>https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/mhmvb3/testosterone_correlates_with_mating_success_but/</ref> | ||
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There is evidence that a minority of fast [[life history]] women [[rape|even desires]] being raped and a greater share of women is at least [[lordosis|willing to give in]] to a moderate amount of sexual coercion. Hence, PUA techniques may boil down to overcoming [[female coyness]] by coercion or even outright [[rape]] packaged in socially acceptable dating effort such as [[small talk]] and [[charm]] (even though these themselves have little to no effect in a one-on-one, direct approach, non-coercive context). Such dating strategies might work less well for very [[social awkwardness|awkward]] and unattractive men, who women more likely accuse of [[sexual harassment]].<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women.27s_definition_of_.27harassment.27_in_online_dating_depends_on_the_attractiveness_of_the_man</ref> | There is evidence that a minority of fast [[life history]] women [[rape|even desires]] being raped and a greater share of women is at least [[lordosis|willing to give in]] to a moderate amount of sexual coercion. Hence, PUA techniques may boil down to overcoming [[female coyness]] by coercion or even outright [[rape]] packaged in socially acceptable dating effort such as [[small talk]] and [[charm]] (even though these themselves have little to no effect in a one-on-one, direct approach, non-coercive context). Such dating strategies might work less well for very [[social awkwardness|awkward]] and unattractive men, who women more likely accuse of [[sexual harassment]].<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women.27s_definition_of_.27harassment.27_in_online_dating_depends_on_the_attractiveness_of_the_man</ref> | ||
However, despite looks being crucial in the zero-acquaintance setting and [[halo effect|unattractive individuals facing a number of impediments]], looks are only weakly correlated with | However, despite looks being crucial in the zero-acquaintance setting and [[halo effect|unattractive individuals facing a number of impediments]], looks are also only weakly correlated with lifetime sexual success.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320299645_The_challenge_of_starting_and_keeping_a_relationship_Prevalence_rates_and_predictors_of_poor_mating_performance</ref> | ||
==Other studies on frame-projection== | ==Other studies on frame-projection== | ||