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Still, forums like [[incels.co]] have been seen as somewhat more extreme and cultish compared to Reddit, e.g. with members explicitly luring in newcomers under the slogan to "learn about the blackpill" and "[[LDAR|lay down a rot]]".<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/File:Bbb.png</ref>

Some do this to lessen feelings of shame or guilt among incels and relieve them from false hope,<ref>https://incels.co/threads/what-are-you-doing-to-spread-the-blackpill.53911/#post-995860,</ref> some want to change discourse in society,<ref>https://incels.co/threads/infiltrating-universities-to-spread-the-blackpill.67531/</ref> while others are vocal about trying to full-on "spark a revolution". Seemingly, the main thing that distinguishes the most cultish members from traditional death cults is their lack of congruent or zealous community philosophical leaders.  On [[incels.co]] there are no such leaders as the community admin, [[SergeantIncel]], advocates the [[whitepill]] which is all about acceptance and positivity.

===Alt-right===

On [[incels.co]], the current largest blackpill community, anywhere between 6% and 27% of users identify as [[alt-right]] (95% CI).<ref>https://incels.co/threads/whats-your-second-preferred-division-of-the-manosphere-after-incel.106366/</ref> and 49% identify as tradcon.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/the-ultimate-political-poll.61898/</ref>  Their continued non-banned presence on the forum<ref>https://incels.co/threads/to-the-wns-would-asians-or-hapas-be-allowed-in-the-ethnostate.108581/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/james-allsup-youtuber-casually-drops-the-race-realism-pill-on-1-5-million-viewers.109543/</ref> leads to constant threads complaining about race-baiting, far-right views, and there exists mild but ultimately toothless animosity between "stormfrontcels" and ethnic users. However, many openly racist users have also been banned.{{citation needed}}

===Traditionalism===

After the banning of [[Braincels|/r/braincels]], however, blackpillers left on [[incels.co]] were dominated by vocal traditional conservatives who have been incorporating more political goals such as reinstating enforced [[monogamy]] and [[marriage]] into the blackpill.

===Blackpill Feminism===

==Themes==

==Blackpill vs redpill==

==Proposed solutions==

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'''Monogamy and religion in general''': [[Tradcon|Traditionalist]] believe one should return to the nuclear family.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/being-anti-religion-is-not-only-contradictory-but-also-completely-anti-incels.146724</ref>

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'''State-promotion of monogamy''':

Blackpillers have proposed state subvention could pay male and female incels for pairing up (''positive reinforcement'').<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/NKL</ref> Similarly, it has been proposed to disincentivize promiscuity and singlehood instead, e.g. by taxing promiscuous lifestyle.<ref>https://www.academia.edu/40699045/Flower_Power_Tax_Academic_Supports_FULL_</ref>

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'''Ignoring women and sex:''' Others believe a positive effect of taking the blackpill is that it liberates from false hope and from expending time and effort for what is, in essence, a futile goal. Taking the blackpill means acknowledgement unethical, shallow and unhealthy mannerisms in the dating scene or even wider cultural practices, such as [[narcissism]] and [[lookism]] (the [[halo effect]] and beauty-is-good stereotyping). Many blackpilled incels eventually complement or supplant the blackpill with the [[whitepill]]. Acceptance of the blackpill could literally mean adopting monk status and potentially joining a religious community that provides a sense of [[beloningness]] and status, or embracing one's singledom, freedom and independence ([[MGTOW]], monk mode<ref>https://illimitablemen.com/2014/04/13/monk-mode/</ref>).

'''Nihilism, fatalism and incelicide''': Some blackpillers say the damage done is irreparable at this point and advocate fatalism.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/glassespill-its-over-for-glasscels-do-not-enter-if-vision-is-not-20-20.136257/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/its-over-for-boliviancels.136006/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/classic-movie-scene-this-is-whats-gonna-happen-if-you-ask-a-girl-out.144537/#post-3026437</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/redpillers-acting-like-jerks-all-the-time.142864/#post-2991514</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/nobody-will-ever-love-you.144830/</ref>

Such blackpillers are often driven by [[biological essentialism|essentialist]] views that female sexuality is so strongly biologically hardwired that it would require a civil war to undo the sexual revolution, or that it is simply not feasible and has also historically never been substantially better (which is false since the number of incels is likely at a [[demographics|historical peak]]).  

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<!--Too wordy, complicated, hard-to-read, or not coherent vis-a-vis section header... Many millennial Japanese women are in the workforce, and there is a large male failure-to-meet societal gender roles, leaving the men without a future approved by Japanese society.

The Japanese government has invested at least 30 million dollars annually<ref>https://www.globaldatinginsights.com/news/japanese-government-is-set-to-pay-30m-into-dating-industry/</ref> into arranging monogamous relationships through arranged parties for young people<ref>https://www.sbs.com.au/guide/article/2018/09/25/japanese-government-sponsoring-parties-get-young-people-hooking</ref>, government-controlled online matchmaking services,<ref>https://www.economist.com/asia/2019/10/03/japans-state-owned-version-of-tinder</ref> and government arranged "marriage-hunting" events<ref>https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/21/news/economy/japan-government-dating-services/index.html</ref> to little success.  They have recently invested 18 billion dollars into childcare subsidies to spark fertility rates during 2017.  One successful venture in the Japanese town of Nagicho that increased fertility rates were giving new Moms $2,785 in cash and giving the citizens numerous special welfare benefits.<ref>https://qz.com/1646740/japan-wants-to-raise-its-fertility-rate-with-new-perks/</ref>  This shows that monogamous marriage may need to be extremely financially subsidized by the government rather than relying on gender roles in highly technological countries if the country does not want to engage in universal [[forced marriage]]. Japan's gender inequality index (which measures life expectancy and labor/school outcomes, not cultural gender roles) is lower to that of the U.S. (0.099 vs 0.182).<ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/JPN</ref><ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/USA</ref> -->  

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Counter-arguments to this include that conservatives do have more sex,<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-liberals-amanda-prestigiacomo</ref> even though even many conservatives are gender progressive nowadays. Japan is also one of the least religious countries<ref>https://www.pewforum.org/2018/06/13/how-religious-commitment-varies-by-country-among-people-of-all-ages/</ref> and has a peculiar history regarding their sexual modesty.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity#Japan</ref> Historically, there have also been more incels due to harsher ecologies, so Medieval Europe and 19th century U.S. may not be a good comparison.</p>

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'''Cult & unhealthy pessimism''': Blackpill-spaces are criticised as cultish, quasi-religious and for encouraging unhealthy, pessimistic behaviors among members of the spaces, sometimes inciting violence.<ref>https://ablogaboutincels.com/2019/11/02/the-blackpill-is-something-like-a-cult-or-a-religion/</ref>