Women in STEM: Difference between revisions

'''Women in STEM''' is a [[meme]] pushed by technocratic feminists to increase female power and representation in IT. There is controversy in the incelosphere about this, with some incels excited by the idea of having women to talk to about nerdy hobbies, while [[tradcon]] incels are vehemently against the idea.

There is a fairly strong desire in feminist, liberal developed countries to bring more women into STEM fields.  One tactic has been basically letting any woman with arms into any low-level tech job, which, of course, causes issues.  Other tactics have consisted of campaigns to encourage "girls who code".  Proponents include Karlie Kloss, Hillary Clinton, the entire US Democratic Party, various tech bootcamps, and various documentaries such as Code Girl Movie.<ref>https://www.codegirlmovie.com/</ref>

'''Pro evidence:''' Students at co-ed schools seem to be slightly more successful with the opposite sex. According to a study by Ivy [[penis|Wong]], students in single-sex classes report later onset of dating experience and fewer dating partners than members of co-ed classes,<ref>https://doi.org/10.1007/s10508-018-1187-6</ref> however the effect sizes were small ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohen's_d d = 0.2]) and in most other measures of sexual activity there were no significant effects.

These studies only concern averages, so it is not clear who benefits (potentially only high status males as discussed below).

'''Con evidence:''' On the other hand, most STEM jobs are fairly high-status positions and hence such women are expected to become more choosy about other men's incomes (see [[hypergamy]]), especially due to the highly competitive nature and chaotic growth of the field. In addition, with [[metoo]] and other anti-[[harassment]] measures, the workplace is becoming unpopular for dating, e.g. "meeting through coworkers" has declined 50% since 1990 despite decreasing gender segregation.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Meeting_online_is_now_the_primary_way_relationships_are_formed</ref>

Today, as many as 28% of men avoid one-on-one meetings with female work collegues.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#27.25_of_men_report_avoiding_one-on-one_meetings_with_female_work_colleagues</ref>

Presence of females might be a detriment for the romantic success of [[omega male]]s because males engage in more bullying and punishing in presence of females.<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053535711000321</ref><!--

==Women as "pioneers in STEM"==

Feminists hold up female engineers such as Margaret Hamilton, as 'powerful' examples of women being ''pioneers''.<ref>https://fstdt.com/QBYG.YC9QZF8J#comments</ref>  These feminists usually ignore the fact that these women were still only a tiny minority.  They also ignore that engineering such as computer engineering was not seen as proper academic work, but subordinate to physics and mathematics.<ref>http://www.bu.edu/eng/about/dean-lutchen/engineering-is-not-science/</ref> Also early computer engineering had an overlap with data entry and textile work, which were traditionally female domains.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill_(Supplemental)#There_is_no_significant_gender_disparity_in_STEM_graduates_by_sex_in_the_U.S</ref>

The share of females in STEM is higher in developing countries than in developed countries.<ref>https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/595942</ref> This is commonly known as the gender-equality paradox, where more gender egalitarian countries are often seen to exhibit stronger sexual dimorphism in a number of occupational, physiological and behavioral outcomes than many less egalitarian countries. For example, Fryer and Levitt (2010) found less of a gender gap in mathematics PISA scores in Middle-Eastern countries than Western countries.<ref>https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/app.2.2.210</ref>

[[Tradcon]]s have suggested that, with their high agreeableness, women entering the sciences have multiplied bureaucracy and ''safe spaces'' preventing men from getting things done.<ref name="dutton">https://www.bitchute.com/video/H0TvDqsqjRU/</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Creep_(book_chapter)</ref>

Nobel laureate and biochemist Tim Hunt, father of two [[daughter]]s, commented on this grievance:<ref>https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/10/nobel-scientist-tim-hunt-female-scientists-cause-trouble-for-men-in-labs</ref>

{{quote|Let me tell you about my trouble with girls … three things happen when they are in the lab … You fall in love with them, they fall in love with you and when you criticise them, [[Scientific Blackpill (Supplemental)#Women_cry_four_times_as_much_as_men_and_never_outgrow_teenage_crying_behavior|they cry]].}}

=== Affirmative action failure arguments ===

Even though Western countries have invested billions of dollars in furthering female education, women's intellectual output relative to men's does not seem to have increased to meaningful extent. Progress is largely made by a tiny group of individuals, which are nearly entirely men, as was always the case. Notably, gender-progressive countries do not have a relative greater level of female achievement than less gender-progressive ones.<ref>''Sex differences in PISA: Some counterintuitive results.'' Speaker: Gerhard Meisenberg http://healthdocbox.com/Psychology_and_Psychiatry/72815349-London-conference-on-intelligence-2016.html</ref>

Affirmative action is naturally exploited by entryists, ideologues, conmen and other psychopaths, as well as nepotists seeking to extend their range of influence. In fact, it lead to perhaps the greatest fraud in the history of the Silivon Valley tech bomb.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tpsoWx7xmY</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CccfnRpPtM</ref> There are also countless of examples of female token CEOs running their business into the ground{{citation needed}} and female CEOs are 45% more likely to be fired.<ref>https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2018/12/01/female-ceos-are-more-likely-to-be-fired-than-males-study-finds/</ref> Women with such a career are also frequently miserable due to their [[hypergamy]] and being biologically unsuitable for leadership.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sigfUu0RS90</ref>

Affirmative action also likely decreases the standards as female professors are held to lower standards.<ref>https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03075079.2020.1723533</ref>

In the early 20th century, [[Otto Weininger]] predicted an all encompassing "women's movement" would drag too many women into the sciences and arts who have not much real capability or interest in these male spaces. He further noted only a very small minority of masculine, lesbian women could approach genius and male interest in ideas instead of merely embodying vapid horniness.

Edward Dutton suggested only highly religious women are suitable for the sciences.<ref name="dutton"></ref>

{{quote|We issued gorged with knowledge, and I spoke:<br />"Why, sirs, they do all this as well as we."<br />"They hunt old trails," said Cyril, "very well;<br />But when did woman ever yet invent?"|Tennyson, The Princess. Pt. ii, 1. 366.}}