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There was a part wherein psycopaths and people with high functioning autsim(aspergers) were erroneously compared by a critical misunderstading of the role of empathy.
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On the other hand, they are often exceptionally good at recognizing patterns and investigating certain topics with intense focus. People with Asperger's are also vulnerable targets of [[PUA|pick up artists]] who scam them into buying into their ineffective programs, with Aspies being particularly susceptible to the "[[Attraction ambiguity problem]]".<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886918300941</ref> | On the other hand, they are often exceptionally good at recognizing patterns and investigating certain topics with intense focus. People with Asperger's are also vulnerable targets of [[PUA|pick up artists]] who scam them into buying into their ineffective programs, with Aspies being particularly susceptible to the "[[Attraction ambiguity problem]]".<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886918300941</ref> | ||
== Origin of the term == | ==Origin of the term== | ||
The condition is named after Hans Asperger, an Austrian pediatrician who first described the disorder in a medical context, dubbing the condition "autistic psychopathy"(in German the word "psychopathische" was often used to refer to any type of mental illness).<ref>''Die ‘Autistischen Psychopathen’ im Kindesalter'', Archiv für Psychiatrie und Nervenkrankheiten (1944), 117, pp. 76-136 German:http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_asperger_1944.html English translation:https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1992-97284-002</ref><ref>"The term psychopathy itself gained a specific and notorious meaning of a condition of amorality and anti-social or violent behavior. Such a morally pejorative concept is said to have not been intended by Koch; he had applied the term 'psychopathic' to mean originating from an organic defect in the brain, and the term inferiority to simply refer to dysfunction. However, it was probably his concept and terminology that provided the unfortunate conglomeration of aspects of inferiority, amorality and socially harmful behavior."https://peoplepill.com/people/julius-ludwig-august-koch/ </ref> Asperger is now a highly controversial figure due to revelations he contributed to the Nazi Aktion T4 'euthanasia' program,<ref>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05112-1</ref> recent discovery of his role in the T4 program may have also been a factor in the redefinition of the disorder by the APA. | The condition is named after Hans Asperger, an Austrian pediatrician who first described the disorder in a medical context, dubbing the condition "autistic psychopathy"(in German the word "psychopathische" was often used to refer to any type of mental illness).<ref>''Die ‘Autistischen Psychopathen’ im Kindesalter'', Archiv für Psychiatrie und Nervenkrankheiten (1944), 117, pp. 76-136 German:http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_asperger_1944.html English translation:https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1992-97284-002</ref><ref>"The term psychopathy itself gained a specific and notorious meaning of a condition of amorality and anti-social or violent behavior. Such a morally pejorative concept is said to have not been intended by Koch; he had applied the term 'psychopathic' to mean originating from an organic defect in the brain, and the term inferiority to simply refer to dysfunction. However, it was probably his concept and terminology that provided the unfortunate conglomeration of aspects of inferiority, amorality and socially harmful behavior."https://peoplepill.com/people/julius-ludwig-august-koch/ </ref> Asperger is now a highly controversial figure due to revelations he contributed to the Nazi Aktion T4 'euthanasia' program,<ref>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05112-1</ref> recent discovery of his role in the T4 program may have also been a factor in the redefinition of the disorder by the APA. | ||
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Findings were: | Findings were: | ||
* 69.2% of adolescents with high functioning autism expressed the desire for a dating relationship. | *69.2% of adolescents with high functioning autism expressed the desire for a dating relationship. | ||
* 73.1% with high functioning autism expressed attraction to someone of the opposite sex, and 10.0% to the same sex. | *73.1% with high functioning autism expressed attraction to someone of the opposite sex, and 10.0% to the same sex. | ||
* However, only 7.7% of this high functioning autistic cohort reported having had a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, and 1.5% with someone of the same sex. | *However, only 7.7% of this high functioning autistic cohort reported having had a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, and 1.5% with someone of the same sex. | ||
* Only 1.5% of the group had sex. | *Only 1.5% of the group had sex. | ||
Overall this group showed a normal amount of desire for sexual relationships, but a disproportionately low capacity to achieve them. | Overall this group showed a normal amount of desire for sexual relationships, but a disproportionately low capacity to achieve them. | ||
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Autistic men were also burdened with a dramatically greater number of paraphilias which are considered socially taboo. These paraphilias which appear to be part of their disease state can only be imagined to make their difficulties in finding sexual and romantic success more difficult. | Autistic men were also burdened with a dramatically greater number of paraphilias which are considered socially taboo. These paraphilias which appear to be part of their disease state can only be imagined to make their difficulties in finding sexual and romantic success more difficult. | ||
<span style="font-size:125%>'''Quotes:'''</span> | <span style="font-size:125%">'''Quotes:'''</span> | ||
* ''Male ASD participants reported more frequent [[masturbation]] than male healthy controls (HCs) (P<0.01). '' | |||
* ''ASD men reported a greater sexual desire for sexual intercourse than their HC counterparts (P<0.05, Table III). '' | *''Male ASD participants reported more frequent [[masturbation]] than male healthy controls (HCs) (P<0.01). '' | ||
* ''Of the individuals with ASD, significantly more women (n=18; 46.2%) than men (n=9; 16.1%) were currently in a relationship '' | *''ASD men reported a greater sexual desire for sexual intercourse than their HC counterparts (P<0.05, Table III). '' | ||
*''Of the individuals with ASD, significantly more women (n=18; 46.2%) than men (n=9; 16.1%) were currently in a relationship '' | |||
==Autism and suicide== | ==Autism and suicide== | ||
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This suggests that autists may generally get on fairly well with each other, but differences in presentation style, flatter affect, and difficulty expressing expected dominant or submissive social dominance hierarchy based behaviors may cause even very high-functioning autists to be commonly be perceived as 'creepy', 'weird' or, more charitably, eccentric, leading to social exclusion and thus the social deficits the condition is known for. | This suggests that autists may generally get on fairly well with each other, but differences in presentation style, flatter affect, and difficulty expressing expected dominant or submissive social dominance hierarchy based behaviors may cause even very high-functioning autists to be commonly be perceived as 'creepy', 'weird' or, more charitably, eccentric, leading to social exclusion and thus the social deficits the condition is known for. | ||
== Extreme male brain theory == | ==Extreme male brain theory== | ||
A major controversial theory of the etiology (cause) of ASD is known as the extreme male brain theory. The theory first proposed by the world-famous autism researcher from the University of Cambridge, Simon Baron-Cohen, states that the major cause of ASD is excessive exposure to androgens (male sex hormones) during prenatal development. '''Baron-Cohen does not claim that persons with ASD are more 'masculine' then neuro-typicals, a point often lost on laymen'''. Baron-Cohen merely asserts that this 'extreme' masculinity takes form in a deficit of empathy in ASD individuals, as well as an increase in their mental tendency to attempt to systematize information they receive from the external environment, which a major cause of the obsessional interests and social deficits displayed by those with the disorder. The theory is supported by analysis on the amniotic fluid of children who were later diagnosed with ASD, which found evidence of elevated androgens (androstenedione and testosterone) in the placental fluid.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24888361?dopt=Abstract</ref> However, the relationship between these factors is likely complex; as later studies have also found evidence of elevated levels of estrogens in the pre-natal environment of those later diagnosed with autism<ref>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190729094538.htm/</ref>. This is likely partially due to the activity of the enzyme [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatase aromatase] in the placenta, converting some of the androgens to estrogens, as there is animal evidence that pre-natal estrogens can have a "paradoxical" masculinizing effect in the right context. | A major controversial theory of the etiology (cause) of ASD is known as the extreme male brain theory. The theory first proposed by the world-famous autism researcher from the University of Cambridge, Simon Baron-Cohen, states that the major cause of ASD is excessive exposure to androgens (male sex hormones) during prenatal development. '''Baron-Cohen does not claim that persons with ASD are more 'masculine' then neuro-typicals, a point often lost on laymen'''. Baron-Cohen merely asserts that this 'extreme' masculinity takes form in a deficit of empathy in ASD individuals, as well as an increase in their mental tendency to attempt to systematize information they receive from the external environment, which a major cause of the obsessional interests and social deficits displayed by those with the disorder. The theory is supported by analysis on the amniotic fluid of children who were later diagnosed with ASD, which found evidence of elevated androgens (androstenedione and testosterone) in the placental fluid.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24888361?dopt=Abstract</ref> However, the relationship between these factors is likely complex; as later studies have also found evidence of elevated levels of estrogens in the pre-natal environment of those later diagnosed with autism<ref>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190729094538.htm/</ref>. This is likely partially due to the activity of the enzyme [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatase aromatase] in the placenta, converting some of the androgens to estrogens, as there is animal evidence that pre-natal estrogens can have a "paradoxical" masculinizing effect in the right context. | ||
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Some researchers have claimed that the lessened prevalence of autism in women, rather than being explicable by the extreme male brain theory, may be due to greater levels of mutational load possibly being required for the disorder to be symptomatic in females.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24581740</ref> This also implies that females who have the condition may exhibit stronger symptoms due to carrying more deleterious mutations than males with the condition. However, it is also claimed that the lesser female prevalence of the disorder may be due to higher-functioning female autists being more effective at 'masking' the socially disruptive symptoms of the condition.<ref>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/females-are-genetically-protected-from-autism/</ref> | Some researchers have claimed that the lessened prevalence of autism in women, rather than being explicable by the extreme male brain theory, may be due to greater levels of mutational load possibly being required for the disorder to be symptomatic in females.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24581740</ref> This also implies that females who have the condition may exhibit stronger symptoms due to carrying more deleterious mutations than males with the condition. However, it is also claimed that the lesser female prevalence of the disorder may be due to higher-functioning female autists being more effective at 'masking' the socially disruptive symptoms of the condition.<ref>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/females-are-genetically-protected-from-autism/</ref> | ||
== Evolutionary theories of autism == | ==Evolutionary theories of autism== | ||
It could be that autism is largely a result of impaired brain regions that normally mediate social behavior, but a number of theories have been proposed that aspects of autism could be adaptive, meaning that it or related behavior patterns may have increased [[reproductive success]] in the past. | It could be that autism is largely a result of impaired brain regions that normally mediate social behavior, but a number of theories have been proposed that aspects of autism could be adaptive, meaning that it or related behavior patterns may have increased [[reproductive success]] in the past. | ||
I don't know how to edit to delete parts in a wiki that are incorrect but anyway. This whole part is incorrect. If you read Baron's work without misinterpretation, like in his book the science of evil, you see that he distinguishes empathy is different ways. It is not the same to classify psychopaths (which is under the umbrella term of Anti social personality disorder, along with sociopath) and high functioning autistics in the same basket because both have "low empathy". There's 7 different regions in the brain that comprise of an empathy circuit, autistic people and psychopaths do not have the same regions affected. Dr. Baron distinguished between affective and cognitive empathy, where affective empathy affects a person's ability to be affective or feel affection with others, for example they did F-mri (functional magnetic resonance imaging) on psychopaths and showed them people that are distressed, or being hurt and they noticed under activity in the region of the brain that is supposed to make them feel empathy with what they are seeing (example they didn't feel anything when showed a video of a person playing the piano and having the lid shut, crushing his fingers). Whereas high functioning autists had this region intact and were able to feel empathy. But a psychopath's cognitive empathy, that is in relation to social cues, making conversation, reading body language etc... is intact. They can easily do that because this part of their brain functions properly. This is what makes them dangerous. However in autism, their cognitive empathy is affected, making them "socially awkward" wherein they have trouble making eye contact, conversation, reading body language etc.. They have trouble trying to figure out what the other person is thinking or feeling. Which by consequence makes psychopaths and people with autism complete opposites. <ref>Dr.Baron's TEDX talk on erosion of empathy | |||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXcU8x_xK18</ref><ref>The Science of Evil: On Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty | |||
Book by Simon Baron-Cohen</ref> | |||
In a similar vein, Overskied (2016) argued that many powerful politicians throughout recent history, such as the German Chancellor Angela Merkel, former US president Lyndon B Johnson, and the former South African president Nelson Mandela, among many others, exhibited significant subclinical autistic traits, and argued increase in male [[reproductive success]] associated with this status could explain some of the apparent increase in the prevalence of ASD in recent times. Overskied attempted to explain the discrepancy in the diagnosis of the disorder by sex by noting the reproductive success associated with high status is typically only found in men, with women's high status decreasing their reproductive success. He claims these subclinical autistic behaviors shared a common cause with actual autism, pre-natal [[testosterone]] exposure, per Baron-Cohen's extreme male brain theory. He also stated that the high cortisol levels often found in autistics may serve to inhibit the expression of such socially dominant behaviors in them, whereas the powerful figures he claimed exhibited sub-clinical autistic traits may not be subject to such high cortisol levels.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5005963/</ref> | In a similar vein, Overskied (2016) argued that many powerful politicians throughout recent history, such as the German Chancellor Angela Merkel, former US president Lyndon B Johnson, and the former South African president Nelson Mandela, among many others, exhibited significant subclinical autistic traits, and argued increase in male [[reproductive success]] associated with this status could explain some of the apparent increase in the prevalence of ASD in recent times. Overskied attempted to explain the discrepancy in the diagnosis of the disorder by sex by noting the reproductive success associated with high status is typically only found in men, with women's high status decreasing their reproductive success. He claims these subclinical autistic behaviors shared a common cause with actual autism, pre-natal [[testosterone]] exposure, per Baron-Cohen's extreme male brain theory. He also stated that the high cortisol levels often found in autistics may serve to inhibit the expression of such socially dominant behaviors in them, whereas the powerful figures he claimed exhibited sub-clinical autistic traits may not be subject to such high cortisol levels.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5005963/</ref> | ||
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{{quote|Aspergers men are a nightmare. I accidentally married someone with AS. And I stress ACCIDENTALLY, as I have seen the devastation that is “being” with one of these people. They should come with a warning and anyone displaying these behaviors should be tested in school so that us normal people don’t get trapped in something that ruins our lives. Yeah they’re all different yeah yeah, I know, some are worse than others. No one can be happy with these people. NO ONE. WHATSOEVER. Seriously. My life is devastated from one of these un-empathetic, desolate wasteland-of-emotions people. Learn to think like them? F*** that. That’s impossible and would require losing most of the characteristics that make us human, that allow us to connect to others.}} | {{quote|Aspergers men are a nightmare. I accidentally married someone with AS. And I stress ACCIDENTALLY, as I have seen the devastation that is “being” with one of these people. They should come with a warning and anyone displaying these behaviors should be tested in school so that us normal people don’t get trapped in something that ruins our lives. Yeah they’re all different yeah yeah, I know, some are worse than others. No one can be happy with these people. NO ONE. WHATSOEVER. Seriously. My life is devastated from one of these un-empathetic, desolate wasteland-of-emotions people. Learn to think like them? F*** that. That’s impossible and would require losing most of the characteristics that make us human, that allow us to connect to others.}} | ||
=== Fake nice guy syndrome === | ===Fake nice guy syndrome=== | ||
When women as well as people in general talk about "fake nice guys" they may be referring to autistic (or ugly) males. Autists may naturally overestimate the optimal amount of pro-social communication/behavior most people generally prefer. Overly formal or polite behavior, which is often found among autists, is counter to establishing dominance. Sexually, women do tend to prefer "assholes". This may be hard to understand for autistics, who are claimed to be prone to black and white thinking.<ref>https://www.psychedconsult.com/blog/no-room-for-gray-here</ref> | When women as well as people in general talk about "fake nice guys" they may be referring to autistic (or ugly) males. Autists may naturally overestimate the optimal amount of pro-social communication/behavior most people generally prefer. Overly formal or polite behavior, which is often found among autists, is counter to establishing dominance. Sexually, women do tend to prefer "assholes". This may be hard to understand for autistics, who are claimed to be prone to black and white thinking.<ref>https://www.psychedconsult.com/blog/no-room-for-gray-here</ref> | ||
== Dating advice == | ==Dating advice== | ||
There has been little research on what determines dating success among the few autistics who have it. | There has been little research on what determines dating success among the few autistics who have it. | ||
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There is some evidence that autistic males may be more compatible with autistic females than with [[NT]] females (at least in the near-term that is):<ref>https://escholarship.org/uc/item/6kw0v3mf</ref> | There is some evidence that autistic males may be more compatible with autistic females than with [[NT]] females (at least in the near-term that is):<ref>https://escholarship.org/uc/item/6kw0v3mf</ref> | ||
* "Further, similar to speed-dating studies with typical adults, participants matched from speed-dating events led to electronic communication between couples, and dates for approximately one third of matches." | *"Further, similar to speed-dating studies with typical adults, participants matched from speed-dating events led to electronic communication between couples, and dates for approximately one third of matches." | ||
* "the content of participants’ conversations felt formal to an outside observer" | *"the content of participants’ conversations felt formal to an outside observer" | ||
==Free Lesson for Aspies== | ==Free Lesson for Aspies== | ||
<big><b><center>A guide to female cues for our wonderful, irreplaceable brethren with Aspergers...</center></big | <big><b><center>A guide to female cues for our wonderful, irreplaceable brethren with Aspergers...</center></big><br> | ||
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==See also== | ==See also== | ||
*[[Neurotypical]] | *[[Neurotypical]] | ||
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