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== Relation to the bluepill ==
== Relation to the bluepill ==
The blackpill can be seen as a counterweight to the prevalent and bluepilled assumption that having a poor social and [[romance|romantic]] life is mostly [[Neoliberalism|one's own fault]] and/or a matter of cultivating a positive [[personality]]. It provides an basis whereby one can reject day-to-day [[platitude]] and the commonly fraudulent "[[work on yourself|self-improvement]]" advice that is ubiquitous in media, advertising and the [[redpill]].


The growing popularity of the blackpill is a result of the failure of the [[mainstream media]] and society of [[bluepill|bluepilled]] pontification, to account for otherwise inexplicable phenomena such as the [[halo effect]], [[hybristophilia]], [[cacophobia]] and how female choosiness is leads to [[hypergamy|female hypergamy]].
The growing popularity of the blackpill is a result of the failure of the [[mainstream media]] and society of [[bluepill|bluepilled]] pontification, to account for otherwise inexplicable phenomena such as the [[halo effect]], [[hybristophilia]], [[cacophobia]] and how female choosiness is leads to [[hypergamy|female hypergamy]].
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'''Monogamy and religion in general''': [[Tradcon|Traditionalist]] believe one should return to the nuclear family.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/being-anti-religion-is-not-only-contradictory-but-also-completely-anti-incels.146724</ref>
'''Monogamy and religion in general''': [[Tradcon|Traditionalist]] believe one should return to the nuclear family.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/being-anti-religion-is-not-only-contradictory-but-also-completely-anti-incels.146724</ref>
Some regard religion as necessary, while others simply propose atheistic monogamy.
Some regard religion as necessary, while others simply propose atheistic monogamy.
Some [[tradcon#Other_Criticism|fear]] that a return to religion, hierarchies and chivalry (man proves himself to and protects the woman) will only lead to an exploitation of low status males, e.g. by duty to die in war or economic exploitation.
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</li><li>'''Technology''': In opposition to traditionalists, some blackpillers claim that technological progress, such as highly immersive simulated relationship experiences and realistic sex dolls or sex bots present a possible solution to increasing male social alienation and inceldom.{{citation needed}}
Futurologist Ian Pearson has predicted that the prevalence or at least the availability of sexbots will be substantial by the year 2050. Sexlessness is a major component of inceldom. Taken altogether, the components and input of sexbots means that the resulting price of the product will be geared towards a middle-class market segment.<ref>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11898241/By-2050-human-on-robot-sex-will-be-more-common-than-human-on-human-sex-says-report.html</ref> Polls also show that men are more interested in sexbots than women, as such we're more likely to see the mass production of fembots rather than manbots or malebots.<ref>https://www.geek.com/tech/everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-sex-robots-1706373/</ref> In conclusion, it is a fair bet that inceldom levels will drop dramatically among middle-class men by the middle of the 21st century.
Some even suggest soon all women will be obsolete once science invents artificial wombs, or that genetic engineering could be used to make women less hypergamous.<ref>https://just paste.it/3e767</ref>
Critics of these solutions maintain that due to phenomena such as the "uncanny valley" effect, such experiences will prove to be, essentially, an elaborate form of masturbation, and will likely not serve as suitable substitutes for actual sex and companionship. Artificial wombs are also touted as a technological solution for incels who wish to reproduce without a willing female partner. Some blackpillers also view advances in the medical field of plastic surgery as a source of optimism, and claim widespread societal awareness of lookism—potentially leading to government subsidized plastic surgery for incels—would also present a possible solution to the problem.
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'''Socially arranged/forced monogamy''': Some propose ''[[Sexual Marxism|sex communism]]'' and ''state-issued girlfriends'' as a solution to inceldom, however others have objected that such projects seems unlikely to succeed socially/politically, as they are well outside of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window Overton Window] in all liberal democracies, at least, and as such would likely require an authoritarian state that was invested in solving the problem to sucessfully implement, and it is also seen as doubtful whether healthy relationships can form when a relationship is not "earned", but assigned by fiat. Both men and women often want to be proud of their partner choice. For that, both men and women need to know where they stand.
'''Socially arranged or enforced monogamy''': Some propose ''[[Sexual Marxism|sex communism]]'' and ''state-issued girlfriends'' as a solution to inceldom, however others have objected that such projects seems unlikely to succeed socially/politically, as they are well outside of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window Overton Window] in all liberal democracies, at least, and as such would likely require an authoritarian state that was invested in solving the problem to successfully implement, and it is also seen as doubtful whether healthy relationships can form when a relationship is not "earned", but assigned by fiat. Both men and women often want to be proud of their partner choice. For that, both men and women need to know where they stand.
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'''State-promotion of monogamy''':
'''State-promotion of monogamy''':
Blackpillers have proposed state subvention could pay male and female incels for pairing up (''positive reinforcement'').<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/NKL</ref> Similarly, it has been proposed to disincentivize promiscuity and singlehood instead, e.g. by taxing promiscuous behavior<ref>https://www.academia.edu/40699045/Flower_Power_Tax_Academic_Supports_FULL_</ref> and singles.
Blackpillers have proposed state subvention could pay male and female incels for pairing up (''positive reinforcement'').<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/NKL</ref> Similarly, it has been proposed to disincentivize promiscuity and singlehood instead, e.g. by taxing promiscuous lifestyle.<ref>https://www.academia.edu/40699045/Flower_Power_Tax_Academic_Supports_FULL_</ref>
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'''Lowering women's status''': Women's [[hypergamy]] means that for each man there needs to be a woman of lower status. This implies, in order to reduce inceldom,  women's status relative to men needs to be lowered in general. Not necessarily as far that all women are below men, but many in the manosphere do advocate for this. Women definitely should not outeducate men as much as they do today.
'''Lowering women's status''': Women's [[hypergamy]] means that for each man there needs to be a woman of lower status. This implies, in order to reduce inceldom,  women's status relative to men needs to be lowered in general. Not necessarily as far that all women are below men, but many in the manosphere do advocate for this.
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'''Ignoring women and sex:''' Others believe a positive effect of taking the blackpill is that it liberates from false hope and from expending time and effort for what is, in essence, a futile goal. Taking the blackpill means acknowledgement unethical, shallow and unhealthy mannerisms in the dating scene or even wider cultural practices, such as [[narcissism]] and [[lookism]] (the [[halo effect]] and beauty-is-good stereotyping). Many blackpilled incels eventually complement or supplant the blackpill with the [[whitepill]]. Acceptance of the blackpill could literally mean adopting monk status and potentially joining a religious community that provides a sense of [[beloningness]] and status, or embracing ones singledom, freedom and independence ([[MGTOW]], monk mode<ref>https://illimitablemen.com/2014/04/13/monk-mode/</ref>).
'''Ignoring women and sex:''' Others believe a positive effect of taking the blackpill is that it liberates from false hope and from expending time and effort for what is, in essence, a futile goal. Taking the blackpill means acknowledgement unethical, shallow and unhealthy mannerisms in the dating scene or even wider cultural practices, such as [[narcissism]] and [[lookism]] (the [[halo effect]] and beauty-is-good stereotyping). Many blackpilled incels eventually complement or supplant the blackpill with the [[whitepill]]. Acceptance of the blackpill could literally mean adopting monk status and potentially joining a religious community that provides a sense of [[beloningness]] and status, or embracing ones singledom, freedom and independence ([[MGTOW]], monk mode<ref>https://illimitablemen.com/2014/04/13/monk-mode/</ref>).
For these blackpillers, the blackpill is mainly seen as a counterweight to the prevalent and bluepilled assumption that having a poor social and [[romance|romantic]] life is mostly [[Neoliberalism|one's own fault]] and/or a matter of cultivating a positive [[personality]]. It provides an basis whereby one can reject day-to-day [[platitude]] and the commonly fraudulent "[[work on yourself|self-improvement]]" advice that is ubiquitous in media, advertising and the [[redpill]].
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'''Nihilism, fatalism and incelicide''': Some blackpillers say the damage done is irreparable at this point and advocate fatalism.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/glassespill-its-over-for-glasscels-do-not-enter-if-vision-is-not-20-20.136257/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/its-over-for-boliviancels.136006/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/classic-movie-scene-this-is-whats-gonna-happen-if-you-ask-a-girl-out.144537/#post-3026437</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/redpillers-acting-like-jerks-all-the-time.142864/#post-2991514</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/nobody-will-ever-love-you.144830/</ref>
'''Nihilism, fatalism and incelicide''': Some blackpillers say the damage done is irreparable at this point and advocate fatalism.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/glassespill-its-over-for-glasscels-do-not-enter-if-vision-is-not-20-20.136257/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/its-over-for-boliviancels.136006/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/classic-movie-scene-this-is-whats-gonna-happen-if-you-ask-a-girl-out.144537/#post-3026437</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/redpillers-acting-like-jerks-all-the-time.142864/#post-2991514</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/nobody-will-ever-love-you.144830/</ref>
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==Criticism==
== Criticism ==
 
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'''Too much focus on looks''': Correlations between looks, height, income and partner count are only weak,<ref>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-006-9075-x</ref><ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1474704915604563</ref><ref>https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2011.587758</ref> so looks are unlikely to explain most inceldom except for extremely physically unattractive individuals perhaps. It should be noted that men are seemingly bad at accurately judging the own looks.<ref>http://doi.org/10.2307/3033724</ref><ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631</ref> [[Demographics of inceldom]] suggest that there is a trend toward less sex for both men and women, which is accompanied by a trend towards later marriage, i.e. less strictly enforced monogamy.  
'''Too much focus on looks''': Correlations between looks, height, income and partner count are only weak,<ref>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-006-9075-x</ref><ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1474704915604563</ref><ref>https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2011.587758</ref> so looks are unlikely to explain most inceldom except for extremely physically unattractive individuals perhaps. It should be noted that men are seemingly bad at accurately judging the own looks.<ref>http://doi.org/10.2307/3033724</ref><ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631</ref> [[Demographics of inceldom]] suggest that there is a trend toward less sex for both men and women, which is accompanied by a trend towards later marriage, i.e. less strictly enforced monogamy.
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'''Too little focus on economics''': Economic causes of inceldom like wealth inequality and economic stagnation come up short. Costs of living increasing discourage family formation.<ref>https://ablogaboutincels.com/2019/12/21/expectations/</ref> Millennials have only a fraction of the worth babyboomers had at the same age.<ref>http://archive.is/wip/z8CaW</ref> Many blackpillers only focus on hypergamy as an economic issue.  
'''Too little focus on economics''': Economic causes of inceldom like wealth inequality and economic stagnation come up short. Costs of living increasing discourage family formation.<ref>https://ablogaboutincels.com/2019/12/21/expectations/</ref> Millennials have only a fraction of the worth babyboomers had at the same age.<ref>http://archive.is/wip/z8CaW</ref> Many blackpillers only focus on hypergamy as an economic issue.  
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'''Bluepill''': The [[bluepill]] is pretty much the complete opposite of the blackpill.  Bluepillers tend to deny even biology determinism, and propose self-help, personality-altering, individualism, [[neoliberalism]], and other self-actualization type philosophies.  They also promote an overall positivity as a solution to inceldom.
'''Bluepill''': The [[bluepill]] is pretty much the complete opposite of the blackpill.  Bluepillers tend to deny even biology determinism, and propose self-help, personality-altering, individualism, [[neoliberalism]], and other self-actualization type philosophies.  They also promote an overall positivity as a solution to inceldom.
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'''Danger of a stricter culture''': A general danger of returning to stricter enforcement of norms and hierarchies is that it will be abused by those in power. For example the notion of chivalry, nationalism, obedience can quickly result in an apparatus that provokes wars between nations, or also possibly authoritarian outrages such as mass killings. It is a balancing act between maintaining order on the one hand and preventing highly coordinated conflict on the other.
'''Danger of a stricter culture''': A general danger of returning to stricter enforcement of norms and hierarchies is that it will be abused by those in power. For example the notion of chivalry (man proves himself to and protects the woman), nationalism, obedience can quickly result in an exploitation of low status males and provoke wars between nations, or also possibly authoritarian outrages such as mass killings. It is a balancing act between maintaining order on the one hand and preventing highly coordinated conflict on the other.
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'''Nurture vs nature''': In particular socialist, [[social constructionist]], [[bluepill]]ed and [[purplepill]]ed spaces criticize that the blackpill relies too heavily on [[biological essentialism]], i.e. sees human nature as more inflexible than it is.
'''Nurture vs nature''': In particular socialist, [[social constructionist]], [[bluepill]]ed and [[purplepill]]ed spaces criticize that the blackpill relies too heavily on [[biological essentialism]], i.e. sees human nature as more inflexible than it is.
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