Blackpill: Difference between revisions

Jump to navigation Jump to search

Blackpill (edit)

Revision as of 15:00, 29 February 2020

9,137 bytes removed ,  29 February 2020
→‎Solutions
Line 39: Line 39:


Blackpills often mean that "[[it's over]]" for incels with poor looks and low [[social status]] or other flaws—that is, that they have next to no chance of '[[ascension|ascending]]' or attaining sexual and social fulfillment. The blackpill gave rise to various spin-offs with varying degrees of seriousness, for instance, the '[[dogpill]]' or '[[birdpill]]'.
Blackpills often mean that "[[it's over]]" for incels with poor looks and low [[social status]] or other flaws—that is, that they have next to no chance of '[[ascension|ascending]]' or attaining sexual and social fulfillment. The blackpill gave rise to various spin-offs with varying degrees of seriousness, for instance, the '[[dogpill]]' or '[[birdpill]]'.
==Solutions==
Believers in the blackpill have a wide range of opinions about what needs or can be done about the systemic issues outlined above.
Most proposed solutions are about [[supply side sexual economics|changing the price or availability of sex]] rather than [[demand side sexual economics|calling for changing sexual desire]]. Below is a list of various other proposed solutions:
<ul><li>
'''Traditionalism''': [[Tradcon|Traditionalist]] believe one should return to the nuclear family<ref name="ref186"></ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/being-anti-religion-is-not-only-contradictory-but-also-completely-anti-incels.146724</ref>
Some regard religion as necessary, while others simply propose atheistic monogamy.<ref name="ref188"></ref><ref name="ref189"></ref><ref name="ref190"></ref>
Some [[tradcon#Other_Criticism|fear]] that a return to religion, hierarchies and chivalry (man proves himself to and protects the woman) will only lead to an exploitation of low status males, e.g. by duty to die in war or economic exploitation.
</li><li>'''Technology''': In opposition to traditionalists, some blackpillers claim that technological progress, such as highly immersive simulated relationship experiences and realistic sex dolls or sex bots present a possible solution to increasing male social alienation and inceldom.
Futurologist Ian Pearson has predicted that the prevalence or at least the availability of sexbots will be substantial by the year 2050. Sexlessness is a major component of inceldom. Taken altogether, the components and input of sexbots means that the resulting price of the product will be geared towards a middle-class market segment.<ref>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11898241/By-2050-human-on-robot-sex-will-be-more-common-than-human-on-human-sex-says-report.html</ref> Polls also show that men are more interested in sexbots than women, as such we're more likely to see the mass production of fembots rather than manbots or malebots.<ref>https://www.geek.com/tech/everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-sex-robots-1706373/</ref> In conclusion, it is a fair bet that inceldom levels will drop dramatically among middle-class men by the middle of the 21st century.
Some even suggest soon all women will be obsolete once science invents artificial wombs, or that genetic engineering could be used to make women less hypergamous.<ref>https://just paste.it/3e767</ref>
Critics of these solutions maintain that due to phenomena such as the "uncanny valley" effect, such experiences will prove to be, essentially, an elaborate form of masturbation, and will likely not serve as suitable substitutes for actual sex and companionship. Artificial wombs are also touted as a technological solution for incels who wish to reproduce without a willing female partner. Some blackpillers also view advances in the medical field of plastic surgery as a source of optimism, and claim widespread societal awareness of lookism—potentially leading to government subsidized plastic surgery for incels—would also present a possible solution to the problem.
</li><li>
'''Sex communism''': Some propose ''[[Sexual Marxism|sex communism]]'' and ''state-issued girlfriends'' as a solution to inceldom, however others have objected that such projects seems unlikely to succeed socially/politically, as they are well outside of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window Overton Window] in all liberal democracies, at least, and as such would likely require an authoritarian state that was invested in solving the problem to sucessfully implement, and it is also seen as doubtful whether healthy relationships can form when a relationship is not "earned", but assigned by fiat. Both men and women often want to be proud of their partner choice. For that, both men and women need to know where they stand.
</li><li>
'''Enforced monogamy & hierarchy''': Traditionalists like [[Jordan Peterson]] say the solution to the incel problem lies primarily in socially ''[[monogamy|enforcing monogamy]]'', but he opposes the complete abolition of women's emancipation. In his words, "the question is not if, but how".<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEFt20qe0o</ref> Peterson believes social hierarchies are necessary for people to have certainty where they stand which he regards to be important for relationships to form because women [[hypergamy|date up and across the social hierarchy]]. Peterson says enforcing monogamy mainly works by cultural norms against promiscuity and divorce. Peterson emphasizes responsibility, "growing up", as well as keeping an upright posture, which many incels perceive as [[Chadsplaining]].
</li><li>
'''Limiting hypergamy & online dating''': Substantial damage appears to be caused by women refusing to date men who are available. This may in part be due to being told to "grab opportunities, travel and keep your standards high" and that "the world is your oyster". Women appear to incite hypergamy in this manner, also by slutshaming (i.e. giving sex away too easily and hence loosing power over men by strategically withholding sex). One would need to establish social norms to discourage such behavior.  Such efforts are strawmanned/slippery-sloped by anti-tradcons as going full sexual Marxism/Fascism, but arguably there is a middle ground where simply very high standards are discouraged, but standards still exist.
</li><li>
'''Lowering women's status''': Women's [[hypergamy]] means that for each man there needs to be a woman of lower status. This implies, in order to reduce inceldom,  women's status relative to men needs to be lowered in general. Not necessarily as far that all women are below men, but many in the manosphere do advocate for this. Women definitely should not outeducate men as much as they do today.
</li><li>
'''Incentives and disincentives''':
One can also systematically consider various ways of punishing (making less likely to occur) singlehood and promiscuity, and reinforcing (making more likely to occur) pairing up monogamously, whether by removing existing conditions (negative) or introducing new ones (positive).
Blackpillers have proposed state subvention could pay male and female incels for pairing up (''positive reinforcement'').<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/NKL</ref> Similarly, it has been proposed to disincentivize promiscuity and singlehood instead, e.g. by taxing promiscuous behavior<ref>https://www.academia.edu/40699045/Flower_Power_Tax_Academic_Supports_FULL_</ref> and singles (''positive punishment''). Further, one could remove burdens that are associated with pairing up, e.g. abolishing harassment laws and no-fault [[divorce]] laws (''negative reinforcement'').
Lastly, one could e.g. deprive female singles and promiscuous individuals of certain benefits they may have (''negative punishment''). Of course there may be ethical concerns.
</li><li>
'''Stoicism:''' Others believe a positive effect of taking the blackpill is that it liberates from false hope and from expending time and effort for what is, in essence, a futile goal. Taking the blackpill means acknowledgement unethical, shallow and unhealthy mannerisms in the dating scene or even wider cultural practices, such as [[narcissism]]<ref name="ref197"></ref> and [[lookism]] (the [[halo effect]] and beauty-is-good stereotyping). Many blackpilled incels eventually complement or supplant the blackpill with the [[whitepill]]. Acceptance of the blackpill could literally mean adopting monk status and potentially joining a religious community that provides a sense of [[beloningness]] and status, or embracing ones singledom, freedom and independence ([[MGTOW]], monk mode<ref>https://illimitablemen.com/2014/04/13/monk-mode/</ref>).
</li><li>
'''Nihilism, fatalism and incelicide''': Some blackpillers say the damage done is irreparable at this point and advocate fatalism.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/glassespill-its-over-for-glasscels-do-not-enter-if-vision-is-not-20-20.136257/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/its-over-for-boliviancels.136006/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/classic-movie-scene-this-is-whats-gonna-happen-if-you-ask-a-girl-out.144537/#post-3026437</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/redpillers-acting-like-jerks-all-the-time.142864/#post-2991514</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/nobody-will-ever-love-you.144830/</ref>
Such blackpillers are often driven by [[biological essentialism|essentialist]] views that female sexuality is so strongly biologically hardwired that it would require a civil war to undo the sexual revolution, or that it is simply not feasible and has also historically never been substantially better (which is false since the number of incels is likely at a [[demographics|historical peak]]).
Some social darwinist blackpillers promote fatalism and advocate [[incelicide]]. If nobody is left to be an incel, then the problem is solved. These kinds of solutions are of course not ethically tenable. Also if the core problem of the unequal distribution of female's sexual affections is left unresolved, then this would require a continuous purge of incels every generation.
</li>
</ul>


==Criticism==
==Criticism==
Bibipi
Trusted, Automoderated users
17,538

edits

Retrieved from "https://incels.wiki/w/Special:MobileDiff/49321"

Navigation menu