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The '''blackpill''' | The '''blackpill''' claims that society is too [[lookism|shallow]] and [[hypergamy|hypergamous]], and that without enforcing monogamy<ref name="ref188">https://incels.co/threads/me-52m-just-found-out-at-least-4-of-my-5-children-33f-30f-28m-24f-14f-are-not-mine-wife-51f-wont-say-anything.115218/page-3#post-2959506</ref><ref name="ref189">https://incels.co/threads/germany-1950-was-an-incel-wet-dream.147144/#post-3085283</ref><ref name="ref190">https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135</ref> and reinstating [[tradcon|traditional gender roles]],<ref name="ref186">https://incels.co/threads/if-men-cant-be-protectors-providers-theyll-be-destroyers-deprivers.140942/</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdHqzr4DyIs</ref> there is no hope for men that women deem unattractive. | ||
Blackpillers are somewhat in opposition to the [[redpill]] philosophy. | |||
Redpillers | Redpillers believe in a collection of [[PUA|social manipulation]] and '[[Work on Yourself|self-improvement]]' tricks. | ||
Blackpillers reject especially the long-term effectiveness of these tricks. | |||
Not all incels are blackpillers and [[noncel blackpiller|not all blackpillers are incels]]. The media have often falsely conflated blackpiller incels with all incels. More generally, a blackpill is any uncomfortable truth associated with extreme negativity | Not all incels are blackpillers and [[noncel blackpiller|not all blackpillers are incels]]. The media have often falsely conflated blackpiller incels with all incels. More generally, a blackpill is any uncomfortable truth associated with extreme negativity/pessimism/fatalism, etc. | ||
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Counter arguments to this include that conservatives do have more sex,<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-liberals-amanda-prestigiacomo</ref> even though even many conservatives are gender progressive nowadays. Japan is also one of the least religious countries<ref>https://www.pewforum.org/2018/06/13/how-religious-commitment-varies-by-country-among-people-of-all-ages/</ref> and has a peculiar history regarding their sexual modesty.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity#Japan</ref> Historically, there have also been more incels due to harsher ecologies, so Medieval Europe and 19th century U.S. may not be a good comparison.</p> | Counter arguments to this include that conservatives do have more sex,<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-liberals-amanda-prestigiacomo</ref> even though even many conservatives are gender progressive nowadays. Japan is also one of the least religious countries<ref>https://www.pewforum.org/2018/06/13/how-religious-commitment-varies-by-country-among-people-of-all-ages/</ref> and has a peculiar history regarding their sexual modesty.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity#Japan</ref> Historically, there have also been more incels due to harsher ecologies, so Medieval Europe and 19th century U.S. may not be a good comparison.</p> | ||
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'''Furthering the welfare state rather reducing it''': Some blackpillers hold that poverty is a better solution to inceldom than mass abundance.<ref name="ref208">https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/she-felt-unloved/#comment-22914</ref><ref>Roger Devlin said this somewhere too</ref> To the contrary, child-rearing could instead be more subsidized to reduce female selection based on income. Blackpillers respond that women would then turn to looks and status. State welfare advocates also tend to promote broad societal egalitarianism (Jante Law eg), a sort of status leveler that is rumored to reduce intrasexual competition. | '''Furthering the welfare state rather reducing it''': Some blackpillers hold that poverty is a better solution to inceldom than mass abundance.<ref name="ref208">https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/she-felt-unloved/#comment-22914</ref><ref>Roger Devlin said this somewhere too</ref> To the contrary, child-rearing could instead be more subsidized to reduce female selection based on income. Blackpillers respond that women would then turn to looks and status. State welfare advocates also tend to promote broad societal egalitarianism (Jante Law eg), a sort of status leveler that is rumored to reduce intrasexual competition. However, they do not usually put forth a plan on how to reduce [[sexual dimorphism]] in the face of globalization. And in 2019 they tend to favor open-borders and liberal internet policy, which can increase sexual dimorphism in the dating sphere. | ||
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'''Cult & unhealthy pessimism''': Blackpill-spaces are criticised as cultish, quasi-religious and for encouraging unhealthy, pessimistic behaviors among members of the spaces, sometimes inciting violence.<ref>https://ablogaboutincels.com/2019/11/02/the-blackpill-is-something-like-a-cult-or-a-religion/</ref> | '''Cult & unhealthy pessimism''': Blackpill-spaces are criticised as cultish, quasi-religious and for encouraging unhealthy, pessimistic behaviors among members of the spaces, sometimes inciting violence.<ref>https://ablogaboutincels.com/2019/11/02/the-blackpill-is-something-like-a-cult-or-a-religion/</ref> | ||