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'''Too much focus on looks''': Correlations between looks, height, income and partner count are weaker than many blackpillers claim, and thus the blackpill hyperfocuses too much on looks. A counter argument may be that there may be a trend towards lookism that is not yet evident in older data e.g. due to the recent rise of online dating. | |||
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'''Too little focus on economics''': Economic causes of inceldom like wealth inequality and economic stagnation come up short. Costs of living increasing discourage family formation.<ref>https://ablogaboutincels.com/2019/12/21/expectations/</ref> Millennials have only a fraction of the worth babyboomers had at the same age. Many blackpillers only focus on hypergamy as an economic issue. | |||
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<p>'''Traditionalism does not necessarily eliminate inceldom''':<ref>http://archive.is/dunAG</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200118165232/https://ablogaboutincels.com/2020/01/18/debunking-the-tradcon-narrative-about-incel/</ref> In the 19th century, even though divorces were rare and traditional gender roles were strict, around 70% of U.S. men below age 25 were unmarried.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002115/</ref> | <p>'''Traditionalism does not necessarily eliminate inceldom''':<ref>http://archive.is/dunAG</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200118165232/https://ablogaboutincels.com/2020/01/18/debunking-the-tradcon-narrative-about-incel/</ref> In the 19th century, even though divorces were rare and traditional gender roles were strict, around 70% of U.S. men below age 25 were unmarried.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002115/</ref> | ||
In Medieval patriarchy about 20% of the population was poor or destitute, preventing them from entering marriage contracts set by the male Lords.<ref>http://www.vlib.us/medieval/lectures/paupers.html</ref> There also seems to be no correlation between how relatively rigid gender roles are and how sexually dissatisfied a modern country is.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228641949_A_Global_Survey_of_Sexual_Behaviours table 4</ref> For example, Japan is the least sexually dissatisfied nation, but it has relatively rigid gender roles<ref>https://hir.harvard.edu/gender-gap-marriage-and-birthrate-in-japan/</ref> for a developed country. | In Medieval patriarchy about 20% of the population was poor or destitute, preventing them from entering marriage contracts set by the male Lords.<ref>http://www.vlib.us/medieval/lectures/paupers.html</ref> There also seems to be no correlation between how relatively rigid gender roles are and how sexually dissatisfied a modern country is.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228641949_A_Global_Survey_of_Sexual_Behaviours table 4</ref> For example, Japan is the least sexually dissatisfied nation, but it has relatively rigid gender roles<ref>https://hir.harvard.edu/gender-gap-marriage-and-birthrate-in-japan/</ref> for a developed country. | ||
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Counter arguments to this include that conservatives have more sex,<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-liberals-amanda-prestigiacomo</ref> even though even many conservatives are gender progressive nowadays. Japan is also one of the least religious countries<ref>https://www.pewforum.org/2018/06/13/how-religious-commitment-varies-by-country-among-people-of-all-ages/</ref> and has a peculiar history regarding their sexual modesty.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity#Japan</ref> Historically, there have also been more incels due to harsher ecologies, so Medieval Europe may not be a good comparison.</p> | Counter arguments to this include that conservatives have more sex,<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-liberals-amanda-prestigiacomo</ref> even though even many conservatives are gender progressive nowadays. Japan is also one of the least religious countries<ref>https://www.pewforum.org/2018/06/13/how-religious-commitment-varies-by-country-among-people-of-all-ages/</ref> and has a peculiar history regarding their sexual modesty.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity#Japan</ref> Historically, there have also been more incels due to harsher ecologies, so Medieval Europe may not be a good comparison.</p> | ||
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'''Furthering the welfare state rather reducing it''': Some blackpillers hold that poverty is a better solution to inceldom than mass abundance.<ref name="ref208">https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/she-felt-unloved/#comment-22914</ref><ref>Roger Devlin said this somewhere too</ref> To the contrary, child-rearing could instead be more subsidized to reduce female selection based on income. Blackpillers respond that women would then turn to looks and status. State welfare advocates also tend to promote broad societal egalitarianism (Jante Law eg), a sort of status leveler that is rumored to reduce intrasexual competition. However, they do not usually put forth a plan on how to reduce [[sexual dimorphism]]. And in 2019 they tend to favor open-borders and liberal internet policy, which can increase sexual dimorphism in the dating sphere. | '''Furthering the welfare state rather reducing it''': Some blackpillers hold that poverty is a better solution to inceldom than mass abundance.<ref name="ref208">https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/she-felt-unloved/#comment-22914</ref><ref>Roger Devlin said this somewhere too</ref> To the contrary, child-rearing could instead be more subsidized to reduce female selection based on income. Blackpillers respond that women would then turn to looks and status. State welfare advocates also tend to promote broad societal egalitarianism (Jante Law eg), a sort of status leveler that is rumored to reduce intrasexual competition. However, they do not usually put forth a plan on how to reduce [[sexual dimorphism]]. And in 2019 they tend to favor open-borders and liberal internet policy, which can increase sexual dimorphism in the dating sphere. | ||