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'''An alleged incorrect thesis''': Some argue the blackpill has an incorrect thesis that traditional society had low rates of inceldom or that more rigid gender roles would be something anyone would even want to follow along with, with the advent of technology.<ref>http://archive.is/dunAG</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200118165232/https://ablogaboutincels.com/2020/01/18/debunking-the-tradcon-narrative-about-incel/</ref> In the 19th century, when divorces were extremely low and traditional gender roles were relatively strong, 77% of men below age 25 in 1850 were unmarried in the United States in 1850, and about 68% in 1870.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002115/</ref> In Medieval patriarchy, something that a blackpiller and critic of Incel Wiki referenced as good for incels,<ref>https://twitter.com/Nothing61934312/status/1218546700664606721</ref> about 20% of the population was poor or destitute, preventing them from entering marriage contracts set by the male Lords.<ref>http://www.vlib.us/medieval/lectures/paupers.html</ref> There also seems to be no strong correlation between how relatively rigid gender roles are and how sexually dissatisfied a modern country is.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228641949_A_Global_Survey_of_Sexual_Behaviours table 4</ref> Japan is always rated the highest in sexual dissatisfaction, and yet has relatively rigid gender roles<ref>https://hir.harvard.edu/gender-gap-marriage-and-birthrate-in-japan/</ref> for a developed country. | '''An alleged incorrect thesis''': Some argue the blackpill has an incorrect thesis that traditional society had low rates of inceldom or that more rigid gender roles would be something anyone would even want to follow along with, with the advent of technology.<ref>http://archive.is/dunAG</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200118165232/https://ablogaboutincels.com/2020/01/18/debunking-the-tradcon-narrative-about-incel/</ref> In the 19th century, when divorces were extremely low and traditional gender roles were relatively strong, 77% of men below age 25 in 1850 were unmarried in the United States in 1850, and about 68% in 1870.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002115/</ref> In Medieval patriarchy, something that a blackpiller and critic of Incel Wiki referenced as good for incels,<ref>https://twitter.com/Nothing61934312/status/1218546700664606721</ref> about 20% of the population was poor or destitute, preventing them from entering marriage contracts set by the male Lords.<ref>http://www.vlib.us/medieval/lectures/paupers.html</ref> There also seems to be no strong correlation between how relatively rigid gender roles are and how sexually dissatisfied a modern country is.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228641949_A_Global_Survey_of_Sexual_Behaviours table 4</ref> Japan is always rated the highest in sexual dissatisfaction, and yet has relatively rigid gender roles<ref>https://hir.harvard.edu/gender-gap-marriage-and-birthrate-in-japan/</ref> for a developed country. | ||
<!--Too wordy or not a coherent criticism... The Japanese government has invested at least 30 million dollars annually<ref>https://www.globaldatinginsights.com/news/japanese-government-is-set-to-pay-30m-into-dating-industry/</ref> into arranging monogamous relationships through arranged parties for young people<ref>https://www.sbs.com.au/guide/article/2018/09/25/japanese-government-sponsoring-parties-get-young-people-hooking</ref>, government controlled online matchmaking services,<ref>https://www.economist.com/asia/2019/10/03/japans-state-owned-version-of-tinder</ref> and government arranged "marriage-hunting" events<ref>https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/21/news/economy/japan-government-dating-services/index.html</ref> to little success. They have recently invested 18 billion dollars into childcare subsidies to spark fertility rates during 2017. One successful venture in the Japanese town of Nagicho that increased fertility rates was giving new Moms $2,785 in cash and giving the citizens numerous special welfare benefits.<ref>https://qz.com/1646740/japan-wants-to-raise-its-fertility-rate-with-new-perks/</ref> This shows that monogamous marriage may need to be extremely financially subsidized by the government rather than relying on gender roles in highly technological countries, if the country does not want to engage in universal [[forced marriage]]. Japan's gender inequality index (which measures life expectancy and labor/school outcomes, not cultural gender roles) is lower to that of the U.S. (0.099 vs 0.182).<ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/JPN</ref><ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/USA</ref> --> Japanese women are encouraged to work more female-centric jobs than in most countries and earn less than men more than in most developed countries including Sweden and the USA.<ref>https://www.oecd.org/japan/Gender2017-JPN-en.pdf</ref> Blackpillers point to studies that say conservatives have more sex,<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-liberals-amanda-prestigiacomo</ref> even though most conservatives are nowadays very gender progressive. Not all kinds of rigidity in gender roles are the same. | |||
The Japanese government has invested at least 30 million dollars annually<ref>https://www.globaldatinginsights.com/news/japanese-government-is-set-to-pay-30m-into-dating-industry/</ref> into arranging monogamous relationships through arranged parties for young people<ref>https://www.sbs.com.au/guide/article/2018/09/25/japanese-government-sponsoring-parties-get-young-people-hooking</ref>, government controlled online matchmaking services,<ref>https://www.economist.com/asia/2019/10/03/japans-state-owned-version-of-tinder</ref> and government arranged "marriage-hunting" events<ref>https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/21/news/economy/japan-government-dating-services/index.html</ref> to little success. They have recently invested 18 billion dollars into childcare subsidies to spark fertility rates during 2017. One successful venture in the Japanese town of Nagicho that increased fertility rates was giving new Moms $2,785 in cash and giving the citizens numerous special welfare benefits.<ref>https://qz.com/1646740/japan-wants-to-raise-its-fertility-rate-with-new-perks/</ref> This shows that monogamous marriage may need to be extremely financially subsidized by the government rather than relying on gender roles in highly technological countries, if the country does not want to engage in universal [[forced marriage]]. Japan's gender inequality index (which measures life expectancy and labor/school outcomes, not cultural gender roles) is lower to that of the U.S. (0.099 vs 0.182).<ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/JPN</ref><ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/USA</ref> Japanese women are encouraged to work more female-centric jobs than in most countries and earn less than men more than in most developed countries including Sweden and the USA.<ref>https://www.oecd.org/japan/Gender2017-JPN-en.pdf</ref> Blackpillers point to studies that say conservatives have more sex,<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-liberals-amanda-prestigiacomo</ref> even though most conservatives are nowadays very gender progressive. Not all kinds of rigidity in gender roles are the same. | |||
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'''Too much focus on looks''': Some claim that correlations between looks and partner count and looks and income are weaker than incels claim, and thus the blackpill hyperfocuses too much on looks. Blackpillers would respond that regardless if this is accurate, the general trend is towards a very lookist dating scene with the continual rise of online dating. | '''Too much focus on looks''': Some claim that correlations between looks and partner count and looks and income are weaker than incels claim, and thus the blackpill hyperfocuses too much on looks. Blackpillers would respond that regardless if this is accurate, the general trend is towards a very lookist dating scene with the continual rise of online dating. | ||