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'''Danger of stricter hierarchies''': A general danger of returning to stricter enforcement of norms and hierarchies is that it will be abused by those in power. For example the notion of chivalry, nationalism, obedience can quickly result in an apparatus that provokes wars between nations, or also possibly authoritarian outrages such as mass killings. It is a balancing act between maintaining order on the one hand and preventing highly coordinated conflict on the other. | '''Danger of stricter hierarchies''': A general danger of returning to stricter enforcement of norms and hierarchies is that it will be abused by those in power. For example the notion of chivalry, nationalism, obedience can quickly result in an apparatus that provokes wars between nations, or also possibly authoritarian outrages such as mass killings. It is a balancing act between maintaining order on the one hand and preventing highly coordinated conflict on the other. | ||
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'''An alleged incorrect thesis''': Some argue the blackpill has an incorrect thesis that traditional society had low rates of inceldom or that more rigid gender roles would be something anyone would even want to follow along with, with the advent of technology.<ref>http://archive.is/dunAG</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200118165232/https://ablogaboutincels.com/2020/01/18/debunking-the-tradcon-narrative-about-incel/</ref> In the 19th century, when divorces were extremely low and traditional gender roles were relatively strong, 77% of men below age 25 in 1850 were unmarried in the United States in 1850, and about 68% in 1870.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002115/</ref> In Medieval patriarchy, about 20% of the population was poor or destitute, preventing them from entering marriage contracts set by the male Lords. There also seems to be no strong correlation between how relatively rigid gender roles are and how sexually dissatisfied a modern country is.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228641949_A_Global_Survey_of_Sexual_Behaviours table 4</ref> Japan is always rated the highest in sexual dissatisfaction, and yet has relatively rigid gender roles<ref>https://hir.harvard.edu/gender-gap-marriage-and-birthrate-in-japan/</ref> for a developed country. | '''An alleged incorrect thesis''': Some argue the blackpill has an incorrect thesis that traditional society had low rates of inceldom or that more rigid gender roles would be something anyone would even want to follow along with, with the advent of technology.<ref>http://archive.is/dunAG</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200118165232/https://ablogaboutincels.com/2020/01/18/debunking-the-tradcon-narrative-about-incel/</ref> In the 19th century, when divorces were extremely low and traditional gender roles were relatively strong, 77% of men below age 25 in 1850 were unmarried in the United States in 1850, and about 68% in 1870.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002115/</ref> In Medieval patriarchy, something that a critic of Incel Wiki referenced as good for incels,<ref>https://twitter.com/Nothing61934312/status/1218546700664606721</ref>, about 20% of the population was poor or destitute, preventing them from entering marriage contracts set by the male Lords.<ref>http://www.vlib.us/medieval/lectures/paupers.html</ref> There also seems to be no strong correlation between how relatively rigid gender roles are and how sexually dissatisfied a modern country is.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228641949_A_Global_Survey_of_Sexual_Behaviours table 4</ref> Japan is always rated the highest in sexual dissatisfaction, and yet has relatively rigid gender roles<ref>https://hir.harvard.edu/gender-gap-marriage-and-birthrate-in-japan/</ref> for a developed country. | ||
Blackpillers and anti-Blackpillers state that Japan is not doing enough to encourage marriage, regardless of 'enforcing monogamy'. Japan is notorious to not encourage marriage and at all and is now battling their plummeting birth rate.<ref>https://qz.com/1646740/japan-wants-to-raise-its-fertility-rate-with-new-perks/</ref> Japan's gender inequality index (which measures life expectancy and labor/school outcomes, not cultural gender roles) is lower to that of the U.S. (0.099 vs 0.182).<ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/JPN</ref><ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/USA</ref> Japanese women are encouraged to work more female-centric jobs than in most countries and earn less than men more than in most developed countries including Sweden and the USA.<ref>https://www.oecd.org/japan/Gender2017-JPN-en.pdf</ref> Blackpillers point to studies that say conservatives have more sex,<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-liberals-amanda-prestigiacomo</ref> even though most conservatives are nowadays very gender progressive. Not all kinds of rigidity in gender roles are the same. | Blackpillers and anti-Blackpillers state that Japan is not doing enough to encourage marriage, regardless of 'enforcing monogamy'. Japan is notorious to not encourage marriage and at all and is now battling their plummeting birth rate.<ref>https://qz.com/1646740/japan-wants-to-raise-its-fertility-rate-with-new-perks/</ref> Japan's gender inequality index (which measures life expectancy and labor/school outcomes, not cultural gender roles) is lower to that of the U.S. (0.099 vs 0.182).<ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/JPN</ref><ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/USA</ref> Japanese women are encouraged to work more female-centric jobs than in most countries and earn less than men more than in most developed countries including Sweden and the USA.<ref>https://www.oecd.org/japan/Gender2017-JPN-en.pdf</ref> Blackpillers point to studies that say conservatives have more sex,<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-liberals-amanda-prestigiacomo</ref> even though most conservatives are nowadays very gender progressive. Not all kinds of rigidity in gender roles are the same. | ||