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::With regards to monogamy 'enforcement' polygamy in Japan is very low (and outlawed) and nuclear families are encouraged. Guaranteed maternity leave for voluntary female work in Japan covers a period of 6 weeks prior to the expected birth date to 8 weeks after giving birth, that is not 'exploitation of gender roles in industrial society' given Japan has been against paternity leave for longer than most countries that adopt maternity leave.<ref>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/17/japanese-paternity-leave-shinjiro-koizumi</ref>  It's an enforcement of gender roles in a society where women really want to work.  Divorce rates are slightly lower than Sweden<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Trends-in-Japans-Crude-Divorce-Rate-and-Recent-Figures-from-Other-Countries_fig1_4862108</ref> yet is more sexually dissatisfied than the Sweden.  What one would advocate from a monogamous perspective to reduce inceldom would be universal arranged monogamous marriages with legal rape, which is an opinion..., not  JP 'vague cultural monogamy enforcement', which women have been able to subvert or opt-out-of if they want by just not dating or having sex at all, which they are increasingly.[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]])
::With regards to monogamy 'enforcement' polygamy in Japan is very low (and outlawed) and nuclear families are encouraged. Guaranteed maternity leave for voluntary female work in Japan covers a period of 6 weeks prior to the expected birth date to 8 weeks after giving birth, that is not 'exploitation of gender roles in industrial society' given Japan has been against paternity leave for longer than most countries that adopt maternity leave.<ref>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/17/japanese-paternity-leave-shinjiro-koizumi</ref>  It's an enforcement of gender roles in a society where women really want to work.  Divorce rates are slightly lower than Sweden<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Trends-in-Japans-Crude-Divorce-Rate-and-Recent-Figures-from-Other-Countries_fig1_4862108</ref> yet is more sexually dissatisfied than the Sweden.  What one would advocate from a monogamous perspective to reduce inceldom would be universal arranged monogamous marriages with legal rape, which is an opinion..., not  JP 'vague cultural monogamy enforcement', which women have been able to subvert or opt-out-of if they want by just not dating or having sex at all, which they are increasingly.[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]])
::: "Not enforcing monogamy" is not the same as "enforcing or allowing polygamy". It could also mean nobody pairs up at all, which seems to be the case in Japan. Arranged marriages were pretty much the norm nearly everywhere. When nobody does the arranging due to lack of culture and and overworked, aging populace, combined with non-optimistic governance and actual overpopulation issues then that is going to drop the birth rates of course. As mentioned in the main article, gender inequality is pretty low in Japan. [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 17:56, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
::: "Not enforcing monogamy" is not the same as "enforcing or allowing polygamy". It could also mean nobody pairs up at all, which seems to be the case in Japan. Arranged marriages were pretty much the norm nearly everywhere. When nobody does the arranging due to lack of culture and and overworked, aging populace, combined with non-optimistic governance and actual overpopulation issues then that is going to drop the birth rates of course. As mentioned in the main article, gender inequality is pretty low in Japan. [[User:Bibipi|Bibipi]] ([[User talk:Bibipi|talk]]) 17:56, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
::::You cited an index that measures labor outcomes rather than cultural expectations and uses female life expectancy as a measurement of 'gender equality', so you are using higher female life expectancy as a measurement of less feminine gender roles, which is dubious at best. [[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 18:15, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
::::You cited an index that measures labor outcomes rather than cultural expectations and uses female life expectancy as a measurement of 'gender equality', so you are using higher female life expectancy as a measurement of less feminine gender roles, which is dubious at best. Women live longer than men in Japan than women live longer than men in the US years.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 18:15, 18 January 2020 (UTC)


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Is not as good as the OECD gender pay gap in measuring roles rather than outcome).  Japan has higher division of labor and women work less hours in Japan for lower pay than most developed countries, including the USA. And it doesn't have to do with any 'gender equality paradox' as Swedish women and women in other 'model gender-equal countries' earn more than in less gender-equal countries such as the US and Japan.  https://www.oecd.org/japan/Gender2017-JPN-en.pdf [[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 18:08, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Is not as good as the OECD gender pay gap in measuring roles rather than outcome).  Japan has higher division of labor and women work less hours in Japan for lower pay than most developed countries, including the USA. And it doesn't have to do with any 'gender equality paradox' as Swedish women and women in other 'model gender-equal countries' earn more than in less gender-equal countries such as the US and Japan.  https://www.oecd.org/japan/Gender2017-JPN-en.pdf [[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 18:08, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
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