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May seem like petty squabbling over semantics, but a man that forgoes long-term committed relationships and engages in frequent casual sex is obviously not an incel by any definition of the term. Therefore, this qualifying statement is important,imo, unless you're seeking to fundamentally redefine the term 'incel'. [[User:Altmark22|Altmark22]] ([[User talk:Altmark22|talk]]) 19:40, 30 December 2019 (UTC) | May seem like petty squabbling over semantics, but a man that forgoes long-term committed relationships and engages in frequent casual sex is obviously not an incel by any definition of the term. Therefore, this qualifying statement is important,imo, unless you're seeking to fundamentally redefine the term 'incel'. [[User:Altmark22|Altmark22]] ([[User talk:Altmark22|talk]]) 19:40, 30 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
:If a man can only get one night stands now and then they are incel imo. Like [[Kyle Incel]] e.g. is incel by the 6 month metric. As far as men who have sex regularly but forgo pairing up with anyone , I've never seen any statistics on them and I admit I don't think they exist enough to bother for making clarifications on that. But if it's worth making the clarification go ahead and do it in detail. | |||
When you made the clarification in the past it seemed like you were hinting you didn't believe in the broad definition of incel we use in the wiki, as 'without choice' rather than just 'without will'[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 19:59, 30 December 2019 (UTC) | |||
:If a man can only get one night stands now and then they are incel imo. Like [[Kyle | |||
:Added it back in with some clarification[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 19:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC) | :Added it back in with some clarification, but you may want to change it[[User:William|William]] ([[User talk:William|talk]]) 19:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
:Sorry, I was more trying to clarify Binder's study, as one can avoid co-habitation and marriage with women while still engaging in casual sex or even having a girlfriend. I agree that most single men are not single by choice, they may even be mostly incel according to the Donnelly six month definition (or a longer one) as some research shows most men are not terribly effective at getting sex outside of committed relationships with women. [[User:Altmark22|Altmark22]] ([[User talk:Altmark22|talk]]) 20:01, 30 December 2019 (UTC) | :Sorry, I was more trying to clarify Binder's study, as one can avoid co-habitation and marriage with women while still engaging in casual sex or even having a girlfriend. I agree that most single men are not single by choice, they may even be mostly incel according to the Donnelly six month definition (or a longer one) as some research shows most men are not terribly effective at getting sex outside of committed relationships with women. [[User:Altmark22|Altmark22]] ([[User talk:Altmark22|talk]]) 20:01, 30 December 2019 (UTC) |