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No mass murderers have been users of incel forums. Neither [[4chan]] nor [[PUAhate]] have self-identified as incel forums, even though some incels use or used those sites. Current major incel internet forums are: [[Incels.co]], [[Facebook's Incelistan]], [[Incelistan.net]], [[Love-shy dot com|love-shy.com]], [[Incelswithouthate]], and [[Foreveralone]]. Roughly [[demographics of inceldom#Numbers|20-30% of American men between the ages of 18-30 are incels]].
No mass murderers have been users of incel forums. Neither [[4chan]] nor [[PUAhate]] have self-identified as incel forums, even though some incels use or used those sites. Current major incel internet forums are: [[Incels.co]], [[Facebook's Incelistan]], [[Incelistan.net]], [[Love-shy dot com|love-shy.com]], [[Incelswithouthate]], and [[Foreveralone]]. Roughly [[demographics of inceldom#Numbers|20-30% of American men between the ages of 18-30 are incels]].


==Definition squabbling==
==Umbrella term==


In the [[incelosphere]], there is dispute about whether the original definition provided in Donnelly Study is appropriate. [[Bluepill|Bluepillers]] argue in bad faith about such definitions, and say male incels could simply have gay sex or pay for a prostitute and therefore they are [[volcel|volcels]]. Hence, a definition in good faith would include an addition that incels are adults who are overwhelmingly rejected by the ''members of the sex they are sexually attracted to''.
Since the word ''incel'' is an umbrella term encompassing multiple demographics of people, people who fall under the definition of that word or self-describe as such won't be agreeing on its meaning. As expected, there remains disagreement in the [[incelosphere]] about whether the original definition provided in Donnelly Study is appropriate. [[Bluepill|Bluepillers]] argue in bad faith about such definitions, and say male incels could simply have gay sex or pay for a prostitute and therefore they are [[volcel|volcels]]. Hence, a definition in good faith would include an addition that incels are adults who are overwhelmingly rejected by the ''members of the sex they are sexually attracted to''.


There is also angst about [[love-shyness]] technically counting as, "involuntary", often.  [[Uglycel]]s complain that extreme love-shys may never show any evidence of will to find a partner.  The infighting over whether to include [[love-shyness|love-shies]] in incel forums mainly hinges on the meaning of: involuntary, whether involuntary means "without choice" or "against will".  However, the word involuntary can mean both, and both are different experiences.  In an effort to weed out [[standardcel]]s, many incel forums reject incels who are not willfully trying to date a wide variety of people, or may even say they are not incels.  In doing so, they often inandervatently marginalize non-standardcel mentalcels in the process.  This is the source of a lot of conflict in the [[incelosphere]].  A solution to this longstanding conflict would be an incel definition that rejects [[standardcel]]s but includes non-[[standardcel]] [[mentalcel]]s as incel.  This has been formalized before, but has not been popularized or adopted yet by any major forum, perhaps because such a definition would be very long.
There is also angst about [[love-shyness]] technically counting as, "involuntary", often.  [[Uglycel]]s complain that extreme love-shys may never show any evidence of will to find a partner.  The infighting over whether to include [[love-shyness|love-shies]] in incel forums mainly hinges on the meaning of: involuntary, whether involuntary means "without choice" or "against will".  However, the word involuntary can mean both, and both are different experiences.  In an effort to weed out [[standardcel]]s, many incel forums reject incels who are not willfully trying to date a wide variety of people, or may even say they are not incels.  In doing so, they often inandervatently marginalize non-standardcel mentalcels in the process.  This is the source of a lot of conflict in the [[incelosphere]].  A solution to this longstanding conflict would be an incel definition that rejects [[standardcel]]s but includes non-[[standardcel]] [[mentalcel]]s as incel.  This has been formalized before, but has not been popularized or adopted yet by any major forum, perhaps because such a definition would be very long.

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