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Further, 50% had a high school degree (or are in high schooll), 38.8% college and 11.2% graduate school.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/survey-results-for-october-2019.147774/</ref> These data are not necessarily representative of incels overall. [[#Germany|Data from Germany]] suggest that university students are possibly around twice as likely to never have had sex, and further supports the notion that incels have diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.
Further, 50% had a high school degree (or are in high schooll), 38.8% college and 11.2% graduate school.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/survey-results-for-october-2019.147774/</ref> These data are not necessarily representative of incels overall. [[#Germany|Data from Germany]] suggest that university students are possibly around twice as likely to never have had sex, and further supports the notion that incels have diverse socioeconomic backgrounds.


==Number of incels==
==Number of incels in the U.S.==
 
=== United States ===


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On the other hand, one could question whether systemic circumstances pressure men into these situations, which could then count as involuntary. Today, people might involuntarily marry much later as a consequence of cultural, economic and environmentalist pressures forcing them to do so. Indeed, career-focused singles tend to report they focus on their career because they are single rather than vice-versa.<ref>https://www.springer.com/de/book/9783658059231</ref>
On the other hand, one could question whether systemic circumstances pressure men into these situations, which could then count as involuntary. Today, people might involuntarily marry much later as a consequence of cultural, economic and environmentalist pressures forcing them to do so. Indeed, career-focused singles tend to report they focus on their career because they are single rather than vice-versa.<ref>https://www.springer.com/de/book/9783658059231</ref>


==== More sexless men than women ====
=== More sexless men than women ===


Combining survey years 2016 and 2018 for female millennials, one finds fewer incels, only 17% (N = 337, 95% CI: 13%, 21%), which is significantly different from men (X² = 4.6, p = 0.03). Including year 2014, it becomes more significant (X² = 6.3, p = 0.01, 21% M vs 15% W).
Combining survey years 2016 and 2018 for female millennials, one finds fewer incels, only 17% (N = 337, 95% CI: 13%, 21%), which is significantly different from men (X² = 4.6, p = 0.03). Including year 2014, it becomes more significant (X² = 6.3, p = 0.01, 21% M vs 15% W).
This is likely mainly due to women getting into relationships earlier (in their [[The Wall|prime years]]) and dating older men, and possibly due to open relationships, polyamory, serial monogamy, harems, online dating and other forms of ''de facto polygamy'', i.e. [[Chad|Chads]] getting [[Hypergamy|more of the pie]]. Both young men and women have overall less sex today, but sex has likely [[Scientific Blackpill#Women_get_2-3_times_as_many_casual_sexual_relationships_from_Tinder_than_men|become more unequally distributed]] for both sexes, with especially the most sexually active men getting more sex than ever. The strongest effects are however in sexlessness overall, less stable relationships and later marriage.
This is likely mainly due to women getting into relationships earlier (in their [[The Wall|prime years]]) and dating older men, and possibly due to open relationships, polyamory, serial monogamy, harems, online dating and other forms of ''de facto polygamy'', i.e. [[Chad|Chads]] getting [[Hypergamy|more of the pie]]. Both young men and women have overall less sex today, but sex has likely [[Scientific Blackpill#Women_get_2-3_times_as_many_casual_sexual_relationships_from_Tinder_than_men|become more unequally distributed]] for both sexes, with especially the most sexually active men getting more sex than ever. The strongest effects are however in sexlessness overall, less stable relationships and later marriage.


====Commentary - Hatfield and Clark====
===Commentary - Hatfield and Clark===


Some say general rates of celibacy should not be used as rates for inceldom among people.  While this may be true for women... for men, celibacy rates and inceldom rates should be very similar.  The assumption that almost all young men would rather have sex than not, in any given day, is heavily supported by science.  As mentioned earlier, A study by Poortman and Liebroer found that only roughly 4% of singles are [[Volcel|volcels]], i.e. singles who stated to prefer their singlehood<ref>https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ssresearch.2010.03.012</ref> Another notable study is the academic Hatfield and Clark study of college students<ref>https://www.sciencefriday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/gender-differences-in-receptivity-to-sexual-offers.pdf</ref>.  Certain students were asked to randomly approach members of the opposite gender if they wanted to have sex right now.  Women accepted the casual sex offers 0% percent of the time in that study. While men accepted the casual sex offers 75% of the time when the offer was the most direct while the rest of the men apologized or gave valid excuses.  This is just when men were asked at random by a random women too.  The number would be even higher for both genders in less casual circumstances most likely.
Some say general rates of celibacy should not be used as rates for inceldom among people.  While this may be true for women... for men, celibacy rates and inceldom rates should be very similar.  The assumption that almost all young men would rather have sex than not, in any given day, is heavily supported by science.  As mentioned earlier, A study by Poortman and Liebroer found that only roughly 4% of singles are [[Volcel|volcels]], i.e. singles who stated to prefer their singlehood<ref>https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ssresearch.2010.03.012</ref> Another notable study is the academic Hatfield and Clark study of college students<ref>https://www.sciencefriday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/gender-differences-in-receptivity-to-sexual-offers.pdf</ref>.  Certain students were asked to randomly approach members of the opposite gender if they wanted to have sex right now.  Women accepted the casual sex offers 0% percent of the time in that study. While men accepted the casual sex offers 75% of the time when the offer was the most direct while the rest of the men apologized or gave valid excuses.  This is just when men were asked at random by a random women too.  The number would be even higher for both genders in less casual circumstances most likely.


====Sex Tents====
===Sex Tents===
Some [[feminist]]s have claimed to reject (whatever rejected means in the face of such blatant facts) the methodology of the Hatfield and Clark study stating that the women do not know if they will orgasm or not and they do not know the men.  It is not that brilliant of an observation though, as we already know women would have male-like acceptance of casual sex offers if the male offering were a celebrity.  Women like [[statusmaxxing|status]]<ref>https://doi.org/10.1017/S0140525X00029939 </ref>.  A lot.  Van Halen had fucking <span style="font-size:150%;">sex tent</span><ref>https://www.cracked.com/article_22900_van-halens-sex-hut-8-acts-legendary-rockstar-debauchery.html</ref> set up at his performances.  The stadium janitor goes home jacking off to gangbang porn while crying.
Some [[feminist]]s have claimed to reject (whatever rejected means in the face of such blatant facts) the methodology of the Hatfield and Clark study stating that the women do not know if they will orgasm or not and they do not know the men.  It is not that brilliant of an observation though, as we already know women would have male-like acceptance of casual sex offers if the male offering were a celebrity.  Women like [[statusmaxxing|status]]<ref>https://doi.org/10.1017/S0140525X00029939 </ref>.  A lot.  Van Halen had fucking <span style="font-size:150%;">sex tent</span><ref>https://www.cracked.com/article_22900_van-halens-sex-hut-8-acts-legendary-rockstar-debauchery.html</ref> set up at his performances.  The stadium janitor goes home jacking off to gangbang porn while crying.


====Commentary - a majoritarian issue, particularly for men====
===Commentary - a majoritarian issue, particularly for men===
Statistics mentioned above suggests inceldom is something that primarily affects men. Inceldom rates have been growing for both singletons and married men while it has remained stable for women. According to the General Social Survey (GSS) data, a greater share of men are sexless, both among wedders and nonwedders.<ref>https://ifstudies.org/blog/male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim</ref>
Statistics mentioned above suggests inceldom is something that primarily affects men. Inceldom rates have been growing for both singletons and married men while it has remained stable for women. According to the General Social Survey (GSS) data, a greater share of men are sexless, both among wedders and nonwedders.<ref>https://ifstudies.org/blog/male-sexlessness-is-rising-but-not-for-the-reasons-incels-claim</ref>


With inceldom near tripling in a decade and steady partnerships almost cut in half for those btw 18-35ish as shown above, we can see that inceldom issues are approaching a majoritarian issue.  But with 51% of young adults without a partner, we can safely conclude that the amount of people sympathetic to incels due to their own situation may now be a majority of young adults.
With inceldom near tripling in a decade and steady partnerships almost cut in half for those btw 18-35ish as shown above, we can see that inceldom issues are approaching a majoritarian issue.  But with 51% of young adults without a partner, we can safely conclude that the amount of people sympathetic to incels due to their own situation may now be a majority of young adults.


====Commentary - celibate marriedcels====
===Commentary - celibate marriedcels===
The strangest anomaly within this data is that married women have more sex than married men. Which begs the question, are married women cheating more, or are married men becoming willful [[cuck]]s?
The strangest anomaly within this data is that married women have more sex than married men. Which begs the question, are married women cheating more, or are married men becoming willful [[cuck]]s?


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