Trusted, Automoderated users
17,538
edits
Scientific Blackpill: Difference between revisions
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
→Women rate 80% of men as "below medium", while men rate women on a bell curve
| Line 3,174: | Line 3,174: | ||
===<span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine, Georgia, Times, serif'; font-size: 24px; line-height: 1.2; font-weight: normal;" id="Women_rate_80.25_of_men_as_.22below_average.22.2C_while_men_rate_women_on_a_bell_curve">Women rate 80% of men as "below medium", while men rate women on a bell curve</span>=== | ===<span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine, Georgia, Times, serif'; font-size: 24px; line-height: 1.2; font-weight: normal;" id="Women_rate_80.25_of_men_as_.22below_average.22.2C_while_men_rate_women_on_a_bell_curve">Women rate 80% of men as "below medium", while men rate women on a bell curve</span>=== | ||
<div class="navbar" style="padding-left: 4px; margin-top: 3px; background: #EAEAEA; color: #555; border-top: 2px solid #444; border-bottom: 1px solid #444; font-size: 13px">[[#Women_rate_80.25_of_men_as_.22below_average.22.2C_while_men_rate_women_on_a_bell_curve|permalink]] | [[#tocHypergamy|category: Hypergamy]] | [[#tocWomen_rate_80.25_of_men_as_.22below_average.22.2C_while_men_rate_women_on_a_bell_curve|table of contents]]</div> | <div class="navbar" style="padding-left: 4px; margin-top: 3px; background: #EAEAEA; color: #555; border-top: 2px solid #444; border-bottom: 1px solid #444; font-size: 13px">[[#Women_rate_80.25_of_men_as_.22below_average.22.2C_while_men_rate_women_on_a_bell_curve|permalink]] | [[#tocHypergamy|category: Hypergamy]] | [[#tocWomen_rate_80.25_of_men_as_.22below_average.22.2C_while_men_rate_women_on_a_bell_curve|table of contents]]</div> | ||
In 2009, the dating site OkCupid published a blog article titled "Your Looks and Your Inbox" in which they analyzed the messaging patterns of their userbase broken down by sex. They found that while men rated women on a bell curve distribution, women rated 80% of men as below medium (<5/10). This data was further analyzed for the book Dataclysm (2014) by OkCupid founder Christian Rudder, providing a more detailed graphing of the original data, demonstrated below, converted to a 0 to 10 rating scale. Christian Rudder expounded on his findings in an interview in 2014, available [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_islsqquXAo&feature=youtu.be&t=2161 here]. | In 2009, the dating site OkCupid published a blog article titled "Your Looks and Your Inbox" in which they analyzed the messaging patterns of their userbase broken down by sex and looks. They found that while men rated women on a bell curve distribution, women rated 80% of men as below medium (<5/10). This data was further analyzed for the book Dataclysm (2014) by OkCupid founder Christian Rudder, providing a more detailed graphing of the original data, demonstrated below, converted to a 0 to 10 rating scale. Christian Rudder expounded on his findings in an interview in 2014, available [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_islsqquXAo&feature=youtu.be&t=2161 here]. | ||
Many in the [[manosphere]] mistook the blog article as solid evidence of [[hypergamy]]. However, it is not as straight forward: The blog article mentions that "two-thirds of male messages go to the best-looking third of women. So basically, guys are fighting each other 2-for-1 for the absolute best-rated females, while plenty of potentially charming, even cute, girls go unwritten." Further, "women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead […], which is a healthier pattern than guys’". They did however not quantify this differences. Another study by Bruch & Newman (2018) also found both men and women aim up, but not a large sex difference. Few aim excessively high which is in agreement with observations made K. Grammer: "If she is too attractive he might consider his chances low and accordingly refrain from courting in order to save face." (see Eibl-Eibesfeldt 2017, ch. 4.5, p. 239). | Many in the [[manosphere]] mistook the blog article as solid evidence of [[hypergamy]] and the [[80/20 rule]]. However, it is not as straight forward: The blog article mentions that "two-thirds of male messages go to the best-looking third of women. So basically, guys are fighting each other 2-for-1 for the absolute best-rated females, while plenty of potentially charming, even cute, girls go unwritten." Further, "women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead […], which is a healthier pattern than guys’". They did however not quantify this differences. Another study by Bruch & Newman (2018) also found both men and women aim up, but not a large sex difference. Few aim excessively high which is in agreement with observations made K. Grammer: "If she is too attractive he might consider his chances low and accordingly refrain from courting in order to save face." (see Eibl-Eibesfeldt 2017, ch. 4.5, p. 239). | ||
Sex differences in attractiveness ratings of similar magnitude (around d = 1.0) have been also found in other contexts but online dating, e.g. students rating photos of celebrities (Marshall & Wasserman, 1997), students rating one another in person (Birnbaum, 2014; Benedixen, 2019) and students rating photos from an online dating website (Wood, 2009). The effect may be partly explained by women putting more effort in their appearance, but women are also evaluated more favorably regarding all sorts of traits besides physical appearance by both men and women, an effect known as the ''"women are wonderful effect"'' (Eagly, 1991). This suggests that male OkCupid users are likely not less attractive that other men. This point is further supported by an experiment conducted by Rudder in which he let male users rate one another and where the distribution of ratings did not show the skew towards the bottom end one can observe in ratings by women (see the interview linked above). | Sex differences in attractiveness ratings of similar magnitude (around d = 1.0) have been also found in other contexts but online dating, e.g. students rating photos of celebrities (Marshall & Wasserman, 1997), students rating one another in person (Birnbaum, 2014; Benedixen, 2019) and students rating photos from an online dating website (Wood, 2009). The effect may be partly explained by women putting more effort in their appearance, but women are also evaluated more favorably regarding all sorts of traits besides physical appearance by both men and women, an effect known as the ''"women are wonderful effect"'' (Eagly, 1991). This suggests that male OkCupid users are likely not less attractive that other men. This point is further supported by an experiment conducted by Rudder in which he let male users rate one another and where the distribution of ratings did not show the skew towards the bottom end one can observe in ratings by women (see the interview linked above). | ||