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'''Sex communism''': Some propose ''[[Sexual Marxism|sex communism]]'' and ''state-issued girlfriends'' as a solution to inceldom, however others have objected that such projects seems unlikely to succeed socially/politically, as they are well outside of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window Overton Window] in all liberal democracies, at least, and as such would likely require an authoritarian state that was invested in solving the problem to sucessfully implement, and it is also seen as doubtful whether healthy relationships can form when a relationship is not "earned", but assigned by fiat. Both men and women often want to be proud of their partner choice. For that, both men and women need to know where they stand. | '''Sex communism''': Some propose ''[[Sexual Marxism|sex communism]]'' and ''state-issued girlfriends'' as a solution to inceldom, however others have objected that such projects seems unlikely to succeed socially/politically, as they are well outside of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window Overton Window] in all liberal democracies, at least, and as such would likely require an authoritarian state that was invested in solving the problem to sucessfully implement, and it is also seen as doubtful whether healthy relationships can form when a relationship is not "earned", but assigned by fiat. Both men and women often want to be proud of their partner choice. For that, both men and women need to know where they stand. | ||
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'''Culturally enforced monogamy & hierarchy''': Traditionalists like [[Jordan Peterson]] say the solution to the incel problem lies primarily in ''[[monogamy|enforcing monogamy]]'' but he opposes the complete abolition of women's emancipation. In his words, "the question is not if, but how".<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEFt20qe0o</ref> Peterson believes social hierarchies are necessary for people to have certainty where they stand which he regards to be important for relationships to form because women [[hypergamy|date up and across the social hierarchy]]. Peterson says enforcing monogamy mainly works by cultural norms against promiscuity and divorce. Peterson emphasizes responsibility, "growing up", as well as | '''Culturally enforced monogamy & hierarchy''': Traditionalists like [[Jordan Peterson]] say the solution to the incel problem lies primarily in ''[[monogamy|enforcing monogamy]]'' but he opposes the complete abolition of women's emancipation. In his words, "the question is not if, but how".<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEFt20qe0o</ref> Peterson believes social hierarchies are necessary for people to have certainty where they stand which he regards to be important for relationships to form because women [[hypergamy|date up and across the social hierarchy]]. Peterson says enforcing monogamy mainly works by cultural norms against promiscuity and divorce. Peterson emphasizes responsibility, "growing up", as well as holding frame, which many incels perceive as [[Chadsplaining]]. | ||
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'''Lowering women's status''': Women's [[hypergamy]] means that for each man there needs to be a woman of lower status. This implies to reduce inceldom, women's status relative to men needs to be lowered in general, though not necessarily as far that all women are below men, but many in the manosphere do advocate for this. | |||
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'''Incentives and disincentives''': | '''Incentives and disincentives''': | ||
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Lastly, one could e.g. deprive female singles and promiscuous individuals of certain benefits they may have (''negative punishment''). Of course there may be ethical concerns. | Lastly, one could e.g. deprive female singles and promiscuous individuals of certain benefits they may have (''negative punishment''). Of course there may be ethical concerns. | ||
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'''Economic growth''': Since much of inceldom appears to be linked to economic stagnation and hitting | '''Economic growth''': Since much of inceldom appears to be linked to economic stagnation ([[neetcel]]) and hitting perceived limits of growth such as overpopulation, another solution consist in increasing economic growth, and perhaps expanding the population beyond Earth by e.g. colonizing Mars, however such solutions are only relevant for future generations. | ||
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'''Sterilization''': In response to [[eugenics|eugenicists]], others have argued male incels who do not want to reproduce should be enabled to enter a relationship with a female of similar [[SMV]] in return for being sterilized or be forced to make use of genetic enhancements like embryo selection, which may soon be available. This way, loneliness and social isolation could be reduced by | '''Sterilization & adoption''': In response to [[eugenics|eugenicists]], others have argued male incels who do not want to reproduce should be enabled to enter a relationship with a female of similar [[SMV]] in return for being sterilized or be forced to make use of sperm donations or genetic enhancements like embryo selection, which may soon be available. This way, loneliness and social isolation could be reduced by enforced monogamy, but people unfit or are unwilling to reproduce would not pollute the gene pool, nor give birth to children they won't care for. | ||
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'''Stoicism:''' Others believe a positive effect of taking the blackpill is that it liberates from false hope and from expending time and effort for what is, in essence, a futile goal. Taking the blackpill means acknowledgement unethical, shallow and unhealthy mannerisms in the dating scene or even wider cultural practices, such as [[narcissism]]<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#36.4.25_of_US_male_online_daters_are_now_resorting_to_anabolic_steroids_.26_bulimia_to_compete</ref> and [[lookism]] (the [[halo effect]] and beauty-is-good stereotyping). Many blackpilled incels eventually complement or supplant the blackpill with the [[whitepill]]. | '''Stoicism:''' Others believe a positive effect of taking the blackpill is that it liberates from false hope and from expending time and effort for what is, in essence, a futile goal. Taking the blackpill means acknowledgement unethical, shallow and unhealthy mannerisms in the dating scene or even wider cultural practices, such as [[narcissism]]<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#36.4.25_of_US_male_online_daters_are_now_resorting_to_anabolic_steroids_.26_bulimia_to_compete</ref> and [[lookism]] (the [[halo effect]] and beauty-is-good stereotyping). Many blackpilled incels eventually complement or supplant the blackpill with the [[whitepill]]. | ||