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Believers in the blackpill have a wide variety of opinions about what needs or can be done about the systemic issues outlined above | Believers in the blackpill have a wide variety of opinions about what needs or can be done about the systemic issues outlined above. Below is a list of various other proposed solutions: | ||
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'''Nihilism/fatalism''': Some blackpillers say the damage done by feminism and various other factors is irreparable at this point and advocate fatalism.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/glassespill-its-over-for-glasscels-do-not-enter-if-vision-is-not-20-20.136257/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/its-over-for-boliviancels.136006/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/classic-movie-scene-this-is-whats-gonna-happen-if-you-ask-a-girl-out.144537/#post-3026437</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/redpillers-acting-like-jerks-all-the-time.142864/#post-2991514</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/nobody-will-ever-love-you.144830/</ref> | |||
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'''Traditionalism''': [[Tradcon|traditionalist]] beliefs such as returning to the nuclear family<ref>https://incels.co/threads/if-men-cant-be-protectors-providers-theyll-be-destroyers-deprivers.140942/</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/being-anti-religion-is-not-only-contradictory-but-also-completely-anti-incels.146724</ref> | |||
Some regard religion as necessary, while others simply propose atheistic monogamy.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/me-52m-just-found-out-at-least-4-of-my-5-children-33f-30f-28m-24f-14f-are-not-mine-wife-51f-wont-say-anything.115218/page-3#post-2959506</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/germany-1950-was-an-incel-wet-dream.147144/#post-3085283</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135</ref> | Some regard religion as necessary, while others simply propose atheistic monogamy.<ref>https://incels.co/threads/me-52m-just-found-out-at-least-4-of-my-5-children-33f-30f-28m-24f-14f-are-not-mine-wife-51f-wont-say-anything.115218/page-3#post-2959506</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/germany-1950-was-an-incel-wet-dream.147144/#post-3085283</ref><ref>https://incels.co/threads/for-normies-inceltears-modern-day-expressions-of-female-sexuality-are-cringe-just-posturing-trying-to-emulate-male-sexuality-penis-envy.145710/#post-3061135</ref> | ||
Some [[tradcon#Other_Criticism|fear]] that a return to religion, hierarchies and chivalry (man proves himself to and protects the woman) will only lead to an exploitation of low status males, e.g. by duty to die in war or economic exploitation. | Some [[tradcon#Other_Criticism|fear]] that a return to religion, hierarchies and chivalry (man proves himself to and protects the woman) will only lead to an exploitation of low status males, e.g. by duty to die in war or economic exploitation. | ||
Some social darwinist blackpillers promote fatalism and advocate [[incelicide]]. | Some social darwinist blackpillers promote fatalism and advocate [[incelicide]]. | ||
</li><li>Genetic engineering or other technologies: In opposition to traditionalists, some blackpillers claim that technological progress, such as highly immersive simulated relationship experiences and realistic [[sex doll|sex dolls]] present a possible solution to increasing male social alienation and inceldom. Critics of these solutions maintain that due to phenomena such as the "uncanny valley" effect, such experiences will prove to be, essentially, an elaborate form of masturbation, and will likely not serve as suitable substitutes for actual sex and companionship. Artificial wombs are also touted as a technological solution for incels who wish to reproduce without a willing female partner. Some blackpillers also view advances in the medical field of plastic surgery as a source of optimism, and claim widespread societal awareness of lookism—potentially leading to government subsidized plastic surgery for incels—would also present a possible solution to the problem. Some argue only changing human nature itself can help, which would either require genetic engineering, thousands of years of selective breeding. | |||
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<li>In opposition to traditionalists, some blackpillers claim that technological progress, such as highly immersive simulated relationship experiences and realistic [[sex doll|sex dolls]] present a possible solution to increasing male social alienation and inceldom. Critics of these solutions maintain that due to phenomena such as the "uncanny valley" effect, such experiences will prove to be, essentially, an elaborate form of masturbation, and will likely not serve as suitable substitutes for actual sex and companionship. Artificial wombs are also touted as a technological solution for incels who wish to reproduce without a willing female partner. Some blackpillers also view advances in the medical field of plastic surgery as a source of optimism, and claim widespread societal awareness of lookism—potentially leading to government subsidized plastic surgery for incels—would also present a possible solution to the problem. Some argue only changing human nature itself can help, which would either require genetic engineering, thousands of years of selective breeding. | |||
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Some propose ''[[sex communism]]'' and ''state-issued girlfriends'' as a solution to inceldom, however others have objected that such projects seems unlikely to succeed socially/politically, as they are well outside of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window Overton Window] in all liberal democracies, at least, and as such would likely require an authoritarian state that was invested in solving the problem to sucessfully implement, and it is also seen as doubtful whether healthy relationships can form when a relationship is not "earned", but assigned by fiat. Both men and women often want to be proud of their partner choice. For that, both men and women need to know where they stand. | '''Sex communism''': Some propose ''[[sex communism]]'' and ''state-issued girlfriends'' as a solution to inceldom, however others have objected that such projects seems unlikely to succeed socially/politically, as they are well outside of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window Overton Window] in all liberal democracies, at least, and as such would likely require an authoritarian state that was invested in solving the problem to sucessfully implement, and it is also seen as doubtful whether healthy relationships can form when a relationship is not "earned", but assigned by fiat. Both men and women often want to be proud of their partner choice. For that, both men and women need to know where they stand. | ||
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[[Jordan Peterson]] proposes the solution lies primarily in ''[[monogamy|enforcing monogamy]]'', but he opposes the complete abolition of women's emancipation. In his words, "the question is not if, but how".<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEFt20qe0o</ref> Peterson believes social hierarchies are necessary for people to have certainty where they stand which he regards to be important for relationships to form because women [[hypergamy|date up and across the social hierarchy]]. If everyone has social status, and women have slightly lower status, then every male could fulfill this requirement. Peterson emphasizes responsibility, "growing up", as well as mental and physical posture, which many incels perceive as [[Chadsplaining]]. | '''Culturally enforced monogamy''': | ||
[[Jordan Peterson]] proposes the solution lies primarily in ''[[monogamy|enforcing monogamy]]'', but he opposes the complete abolition of women's emancipation. In his words, "the question is not if, but how".<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEFt20qe0o</ref> Peterson believes social hierarchies are necessary for people to have certainty where they stand which he regards to be important for relationships to form because women [[hypergamy|date up and across the social hierarchy]]. If everyone has social status, and women have slightly lower status, then every male could fulfill this requirement. Peterson says enforcing monogamy mainly works by by shared values that promiscuity is bad. Peterson emphasizes responsibility, "growing up", as well as mental and physical posture, which many incels perceive as [[Chadsplaining]]. | |||
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'''Incentives and disincentives''': | |||
One can also systematically consider various ways of punishing singlehood and promiscuity, and reinforcing pairing up monogamously, whether by removing existing conditions (negative) or introducing new ones (positive). | |||
Blackpillers have proposed state subvention could pay male and female incels for pairing up (''positive reinforcement'').<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/NKL</ref> Similarly, it has been proposed to disincentivize promiscuity and singlehood instead, e.g. by taxing promiscuous behavior<ref>https://www.academia.edu/40699045/Flower_Power_Tax_Academic_Supports_FULL_</ref> and singles (''positive punishment''). Further, one could remove burdens that are associated with pairing up, e.g. abolishing harassment laws and no-fault [[divorce]] laws (''negative reinforcement''). | Blackpillers have proposed state subvention could pay male and female incels for pairing up (''positive reinforcement'').<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/NKL</ref> Similarly, it has been proposed to disincentivize promiscuity and singlehood instead, e.g. by taxing promiscuous behavior<ref>https://www.academia.edu/40699045/Flower_Power_Tax_Academic_Supports_FULL_</ref> and singles (''positive punishment''). Further, one could remove burdens that are associated with pairing up, e.g. abolishing harassment laws and no-fault [[divorce]] laws (''negative reinforcement''). | ||
Lastly, one could e.g. deprive female singles and promiscuous individuals of certain benefits they may have (''negative punishment''). Of course there may be ethical concerns. | Lastly, one could e.g. deprive female singles and promiscuous individuals of certain benefits they may have (''negative punishment''). Of course there may be ethical concerns. | ||
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Since much of inceldom appears to be linked to economic stagnation and hitting (perceived) limits of growth such as overpopulation, another solution consist in increasing economic growth, and perhaps expanding the population beyond Earth by e.g. colonizing Mars, however such solutions are only relevant for future generations. | '''Economic growth''': Since much of inceldom appears to be linked to economic stagnation and hitting (perceived) limits of growth such as overpopulation, another solution consist in increasing economic growth, and perhaps expanding the population beyond Earth by e.g. colonizing Mars, however such solutions are only relevant for future generations. | ||
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In response to [[eugenics|eugenicists]], others have argued male incels who do not want to reproduce should be enabled to enter a relationship with a female of similar [[SMV]] in return for being sterilized or be forced to make use of genetic enhancements like embryo selection, which may soon be available. This way, loneliness and social isolation could be reduced by a socially enforced monogamy, but people objectively unfit or unwilling for reproduction would not pollute the gene pool nor give birth to children they won't care for. | '''Sterilization''': In response to [[eugenics|eugenicists]], others have argued male incels who do not want to reproduce should be enabled to enter a relationship with a female of similar [[SMV]] in return for being sterilized or be forced to make use of genetic enhancements like embryo selection, which may soon be available. This way, loneliness and social isolation could be reduced by a socially enforced monogamy, but people objectively unfit or unwilling for reproduction would not pollute the gene pool nor give birth to children they won't care for. | ||
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Others believe a positive effect of taking the blackpill is that it liberates from false hope and from expending time and effort for what is, in essence, a futile goal. Taking the blackpill means acknowledgement unethical, shallow and unhealthy mannerisms in the dating scene or even wider cultural practices, such as [[narcissism]]<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#36.4.25_of_US_male_online_daters_are_now_resorting_to_anabolic_steroids_.26_bulimia_to_compete</ref> and [[lookism]] (the [[halo effect]] and beauty-is-good stereotyping). Many blackpilled incels eventually complement or supplant the blackpill with the [[whitepill]]. | '''Stoicism:''' Others believe a positive effect of taking the blackpill is that it liberates from false hope and from expending time and effort for what is, in essence, a futile goal. Taking the blackpill means acknowledgement unethical, shallow and unhealthy mannerisms in the dating scene or even wider cultural practices, such as [[narcissism]]<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#36.4.25_of_US_male_online_daters_are_now_resorting_to_anabolic_steroids_.26_bulimia_to_compete</ref> and [[lookism]] (the [[halo effect]] and beauty-is-good stereotyping). Many blackpilled incels eventually complement or supplant the blackpill with the [[whitepill]]. | ||
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