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Both redpill and blackpill acknowledge the importance of looks etc. for dating, but the redpill claims that one can leverage this knowledge for one's social and romantic success (internal locus of control), whereas the blackpill assumes that for some men there is no help without changing the conditions of mating altogether (external locus of control). The blackpill can be seen as a counterweight to the prevalent and bluepilled assumption that having a poor social and romantic life is mostly [[Neoliberalism|one's own fault]].
Both redpill and blackpill acknowledge the importance of looks etc. for dating, but the redpill claims that one can leverage this knowledge for one's social and romantic success (internal locus of control), whereas the blackpill assumes that for some men there is no help without changing the conditions of mating altogether (external locus of control). The blackpill can be seen as a counterweight to the prevalent and bluepilled assumption that having a poor social and romantic life is mostly [[Neoliberalism|one's own fault]].


Central to the blackpill are [[LMS|three factors of attraction (LMS)]].  These three factors of attraction are increasingly what is used to refer to as the, "blackpill", in modern forum usage. The relevance these three factors have for dating is commonly downplayed:
=== LMS theory ====
Central to the blackpill are [[LMS|three factors of attraction (LMS)]].  These three factors of attraction are increasingly what is used to refer to as the, "blackpill", in modern forum usage. The relevance these three factors have for dating is commonly downplayed.  These three factors are:


# Physical attractiveness ('''l'''ooks)
# Physical attractiveness ('''l'''ooks)
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# Social Status ('''s'''tatus)
# Social Status ('''s'''tatus)


===Central themes====
The central themes of the blackpill are the following:
The central themes of the blackpill are the following:


=== Women are just as 'visual' ===
==== Women are just as 'visual' ====
Women place a minimum threshold of physical attractiveness on potential mates before they are willing to consider anything else about them.<ref>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0092-x</ref>  Women also lie about the degree of importance of physical attractiveness.<ref>https://www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html</ref> Women are also seemingly more choosy about looks, e.g. they rate 80% of men as below [[Decile|5/10]] with a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skew_normal_distribution skewed distribution] both in online dating and non-online dating, whereas men rate women [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution normally].<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women_rate_80.25_of_men_as_.22below_average.22.2C_while_men_rate_women_on_a_bell_curve</ref> The common bluepilled objection to women being shallow about looks in online dating is that in real life women would care about personality and that one could easily make up for bad looks with a good personality. Sadly, various studies showed looks are the only factor to predict initial romantic interest,<ref>https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2005-11095-001</ref> and they are only slightly less important in long-term dating.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22468419</ref> Looks are highly heritable as well.<ref>https://www2.psy.uq.edu.au/~uqbziets/Mitchem%20et%20al%202013%20Estimating%20the%20sex-specific%20effects%20of%20genes%20on%20facial%20attractiveness%20and%20sexual%20dimorphism.pdf</ref>  Men's attractiveness and masculinity also predict a woman's chance of orgasm.<ref>https://putslab.la.psu.edu/documents/Puts%20et%20al.%20EHB%202012-1.pdf</ref> While not as drastic as women's ratings on OkCupid suggest, there is indeed evidence of women dating up in looks, e.g. very unattractive men were less likely married in one study. Conversely, very unattractive women were more likely being married than other women.
Women place a minimum threshold of physical attractiveness on potential mates before they are willing to consider anything else about them.<ref>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0092-x</ref>  Women also lie about the degree of importance of physical attractiveness.<ref>https://www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html</ref> Women are also seemingly more choosy about looks, e.g. they rate 80% of men as below [[Decile|5/10]] with a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skew_normal_distribution skewed distribution] both in online dating and non-online dating, whereas men rate women [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution normally].<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Women_rate_80.25_of_men_as_.22below_average.22.2C_while_men_rate_women_on_a_bell_curve</ref> The common bluepilled objection to women being shallow about looks in online dating is that in real life women would care about personality and that one could easily make up for bad looks with a good personality. Sadly, various studies showed looks are the only factor to predict initial romantic interest,<ref>https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2005-11095-001</ref> and they are only slightly less important in long-term dating.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22468419</ref> Looks are highly heritable as well.<ref>https://www2.psy.uq.edu.au/~uqbziets/Mitchem%20et%20al%202013%20Estimating%20the%20sex-specific%20effects%20of%20genes%20on%20facial%20attractiveness%20and%20sexual%20dimorphism.pdf</ref>  Men's attractiveness and masculinity also predict a woman's chance of orgasm.<ref>https://putslab.la.psu.edu/documents/Puts%20et%20al.%20EHB%202012-1.pdf</ref> While not as drastic as women's ratings on OkCupid suggest, there is indeed evidence of women dating up in looks, e.g. very unattractive men were less likely married in one study. Conversely, very unattractive women were more likely being married than other women.


=== Looks are largely objective, especially ugly people's looks ===
==== Looks are largely objective, especially ugly people's looks ====
Humans universally prefer good looking people and agree fairly consistently about who is attractive.<ref>Di Dio C, Macaluso E, Rizzolatti G (2007) The Golden Beauty: Brain Response to Classical and Renaissance Sculptures. PLoS ONE2(11): e1201. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0001201</ref><ref>https://archive.is/tmkKW</ref><ref>Psychological Bulletin 2000, Vol. 126, No. 3, 390-423 DOI: 10.1037//0033-2909.126.3.390
Humans universally prefer good looking people and agree fairly consistently about who is attractive.<ref>Di Dio C, Macaluso E, Rizzolatti G (2007) The Golden Beauty: Brain Response to Classical and Renaissance Sculptures. PLoS ONE2(11): e1201. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0001201</ref><ref>https://archive.is/tmkKW</ref><ref>Psychological Bulletin 2000, Vol. 126, No. 3, 390-423 DOI: 10.1037//0033-2909.126.3.390
</ref><ref>http://jonathanstray.com/papers/Langlois.pdf</ref><ref>https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319178660</ref><ref>https://labs.la.utexas.edu/langloislab/files/2015/04/meta.pdf</ref> They agree more about the looks of very attractive and unattractive individuals, hence for them looks are more objective.  People agree less about people of average attractiveness, so here individual preferences play a greater role.  Even babies prefer attractive faces over non-attractive ones.<ref>https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6355-babies-prefer-to-gaze-upon-beautiful-faces</ref> Young children also make value judgements based on facial features <ref>http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/dev-dev0000734.pdf</ref> and parents treat their good looking children better. Even blind men have the same preferences about women's hourglas shape as sighted men, suggesting that these preferences are innate. And even among widely different cultures, universal standards for beauty exist.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3130383/</ref> and Women prefer tall men to short men.<ref>https://research.similarminds.com/romantic-height-preferences-in-men-and-women/227</ref>
</ref><ref>http://jonathanstray.com/papers/Langlois.pdf</ref><ref>https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319178660</ref><ref>https://labs.la.utexas.edu/langloislab/files/2015/04/meta.pdf</ref> They agree more about the looks of very attractive and unattractive individuals, hence for them looks are more objective.  People agree less about people of average attractiveness, so here individual preferences play a greater role.  Even babies prefer attractive faces over non-attractive ones.<ref>https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6355-babies-prefer-to-gaze-upon-beautiful-faces</ref> Young children also make value judgements based on facial features <ref>http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/dev-dev0000734.pdf</ref> and parents treat their good looking children better. Even blind men have the same preferences about women's hourglas shape as sighted men, suggesting that these preferences are innate. And even among widely different cultures, universal standards for beauty exist.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3130383/</ref> and Women prefer tall men to short men.<ref>https://research.similarminds.com/romantic-height-preferences-in-men-and-women/227</ref>


=== [[Hypergamy]] ===
==== [[Hypergamy]] ====


Hypergamy is the natural inclination for women to "[[branchswinging|trade up]]" in terms of [[LMS|looks, money, or status]].  There is a host of evidence that women are much more choosy maters. For example, average women receive 20 times as many matches as average men on Tinder<ref>Gareth Tyson, Vasile C. Perta, Hamed Haddadi, Michael C. Seto, Queen Mary University of London, Sapienza University of Rome, Royal Ottawa Health Care Group A First Look at User Activity on Tinder</ref> The top 10% of men get 58% of women's likes in online dating,<ref>https://hingeirl.com/hinge-reports/whats-the-biggest-challenge-men-face-on-dating-apps-a-qa-with-aviv-goldgeier-junior-growth-engineer</ref><ref>ttps://qz.com/1051462/these-statistics-show-why-its-so-hard-to-be-an-average-man-on-dating-apps/</ref> and even in online dating platforms with an even sex ratio, like OkCupid one finds women receive around 10 times more messages.  The top 5-20% of men (ie. "Chads") are now having more sex than ever before<ref>Harper CR, Dittus PJ, Leichliter JS, Aral, SO. Changes in the Distribution of Sex Partners in the United States: 2002 to 2011–2013. Sexually Transmitted Diseases: February 2017 - Volume 44 - Issue 2 - p 96–100. doi: 10.1097/OLQ.0000000000000554</ref><ref>https://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/Fulltext/2017/02000/Changes_in_the_Distribution_of_Sex_Partners_in_the.5.aspx</ref> Hypergamy is a particular expression of female choosiness. Namely, the partner should not only be good, but better than her or better than the previous partner. E.g. women are prone to instability when they are more attractive than their male partner.<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019188691500505X</ref> There is evidence of women refusing to date down in educational status and marry men with lower income. As women surpass men in socioeconomic success, hypergamy implies that more men are becoming unattractive to women.
Hypergamy is the natural inclination for women to "[[branchswinging|trade up]]" in terms of [[LMS|looks, money, or status]].  There is a host of evidence that women are much more choosy maters. For example, average women receive 20 times as many matches as average men on Tinder<ref>Gareth Tyson, Vasile C. Perta, Hamed Haddadi, Michael C. Seto, Queen Mary University of London, Sapienza University of Rome, Royal Ottawa Health Care Group A First Look at User Activity on Tinder</ref> The top 10% of men get 58% of women's likes in online dating,<ref>https://hingeirl.com/hinge-reports/whats-the-biggest-challenge-men-face-on-dating-apps-a-qa-with-aviv-goldgeier-junior-growth-engineer</ref><ref>ttps://qz.com/1051462/these-statistics-show-why-its-so-hard-to-be-an-average-man-on-dating-apps/</ref> and even in online dating platforms with an even sex ratio, like OkCupid one finds women receive around 10 times more messages.  The top 5-20% of men (ie. "Chads") are now having more sex than ever before<ref>Harper CR, Dittus PJ, Leichliter JS, Aral, SO. Changes in the Distribution of Sex Partners in the United States: 2002 to 2011–2013. Sexually Transmitted Diseases: February 2017 - Volume 44 - Issue 2 - p 96–100. doi: 10.1097/OLQ.0000000000000554</ref><ref>https://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/Fulltext/2017/02000/Changes_in_the_Distribution_of_Sex_Partners_in_the.5.aspx</ref> Hypergamy is a particular expression of female choosiness. Namely, the partner should not only be good, but better than her or better than the previous partner. E.g. women are prone to instability when they are more attractive than their male partner.<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019188691500505X</ref> There is evidence of women refusing to date down in educational status and marry men with lower income. As women surpass men in socioeconomic success, hypergamy implies that more men are becoming unattractive to women.
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