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Some feminists even call [[sexual harassment]] a form of rape and sexual violence. | Some feminists even call [[sexual harassment]] a form of rape and sexual violence. | ||
It has gotten to a point that, in order to specify the traditional sense of the term rape as "violently coerced sex", it is no longer sufficient to use the term ''rape'', but one needs to call it "rape-rape". | It has gotten to a point that, in order to specify the traditional sense of the term rape as "violently coerced sex", it is no longer sufficient to use the term ''rape'', but one needs to call it "rape-rape". | ||
=== "Women never lie about being raped" === | === "Women never lie about being raped" === | ||
Since it is not possible to objectively examine an emotional response, it follows that most rape cases are now prosecuted on spectral evidence, relying ''solely'' on the accusations of the alleged victim, but women are [[female sneakiness|truthful]] after all, so one should always "believe women". | Since it is not possible to objectively examine an emotional response, it follows that most rape cases are now prosecuted on spectral evidence, relying ''solely'' on the accusations of the alleged victim, but women are [[female sneakiness|truthful]] after all, so one should always "believe women". | ||
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As much as 35% of men admit they would commit rape in certain contexts, if there was no repercussion, and likely even more would actually do it when accounting for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_desirability_bias social desirability bias].<ref>https://spssi.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1540-4560.1981.tb01075.x</ref> | As much as 35% of men admit they would commit rape in certain contexts, if there was no repercussion, and likely even more would actually do it when accounting for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_desirability_bias social desirability bias].<ref>https://spssi.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1540-4560.1981.tb01075.x</ref> | ||
Some evidence suggests that women are more likely to conceive from rape intercourse than consensual intercourse which may be evidence of the adaptiveness of rape.<ref>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12110-003-1014-0</ref><ref>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/08/20/study-rape-victims-have-a-higher-pregnancy-rates-than-other-women/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5918e1e478ea</ref> For obvious reasons, this is a very controversial subject to study (with feminists accusing researchers of employing the Naturalistic Fallacy to condemn such findings—i.e that if rape is 'natural' then it must be good, ergo researchers into these matters are encouraging rape) and the evidence for this assertion is mixed. | |||
Gottschall & Gottschall, using data from a national telephone survey of violence against women in the United States, found that there was a double (6.4% versus 3.1%) rate of conception from acts of rape vs consensual intercourse. | Gottschall & Gottschall, using data from a national telephone survey of violence against women in the United States, found that there was a double (6.4% versus 3.1%) rate of conception from acts of rape vs consensual intercourse. | ||
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Below is one of many female's descriptions from the [[reddit|subreddit]] [https://old.reddit.com/r/Rapekink /r/rapekink], of successfuly getting a man to want to rape her by feeding him drinks and 'baiting' him ([https://old.reddit.com/r/Rapekink/comments/844iws/update_first_rapebait_plan_oh_my_god_it_worked/ direct link], [http://archive.ph/oZ0CU archived version]): | Below is one of many female's descriptions from the [[reddit|subreddit]] [https://old.reddit.com/r/Rapekink /r/rapekink], of successfuly getting a man to want to rape her by feeding him drinks and 'baiting' him ([https://old.reddit.com/r/Rapekink/comments/844iws/update_first_rapebait_plan_oh_my_god_it_worked/ direct link], [http://archive.ph/oZ0CU archived version]): | ||
{{quote|So I had my party last weekend. […] I started acting like I'm crashing, leaning against the counter, acting like I couldn't tell that the way I was leaning a LOT of my cleavage was visible. […] I started being more aggressively flirty with one of the guys, giggling drunkenly at his jokes, touching his arm, brushing his crotch with my arm and so on, then I took him to my room and started making out on my bed. […] I told him to leave my room and fell back on the bed. He left the room, turning the light off on his way out. I was so disappointed. […] I just laid there for a few minutes, wondering if I could have played it differently. Then I heard the door open. […] He tapped me a bit on the shoulder, seemingly checking if I was really asleep. I didn't react. He ran his finger down my shoulder, down my back and oh my god, I was so tense, but kept still. […] He was on top of me and starred at me. It was the guy from earlier. He stared at me for a second and then just kept going, thrusting into me hard and fast. He pushed his arm against my chest, which actually constricted me quite a lot and just kept fucking me. I was so into it I didn't quite have the energy to struggle much, […] '''I came so hard'''.}} | {{quote|So I had my party last weekend. […] I started acting like I'm crashing, leaning against the counter, acting like I couldn't tell that the way I was leaning a LOT of my cleavage was visible. […] I started being more aggressively flirty with one of the guys, giggling drunkenly at his jokes, touching his arm, brushing his crotch with my arm and so on, then I took him to my room and started making out on my bed. […] I told him to leave my room and fell back on the bed. He left the room, turning the light off on his way out. I was so disappointed. […] I just laid there for a few minutes, wondering if I could have played it differently. Then I heard the door open. […] He tapped me a bit on the shoulder, seemingly checking if I was really asleep. I didn't react. He ran his finger down my shoulder, down my back and oh my god, I was so tense, but kept still. […] He was on top of me and starred at me. It was the guy from earlier. He stared at me for a second and then just kept going, thrusting into me hard and fast. He pushed his arm against my chest, which actually constricted me quite a lot and just kept fucking me. I was so into it I didn't quite have the energy to struggle much, […] '''I came so hard'''.}} | ||
==Are incels rapists?== | ==Are incels rapists?== | ||
Most incels, self-identified or not, do not support rape with very [[Caamib|few exceptions]]. Many, however, assume that involuntary celibacy is more painful for men than rape is for women. They argue that persistent deprivation is much more agonizing than passing discomfort. This argument does not excuse rapists, but it is something women don’t understand. | Most incels, self-identified or not, do not support rape with very [[Caamib|few exceptions]]. Many, however, assume that involuntary celibacy is more painful for men than rape is for women. They argue that persistent deprivation is much more agonizing than passing discomfort. This argument does not excuse rapists, but it is something women don’t understand. | ||
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Groth and Birnbaum (1979) summarized:<ref>Groth AN, Birnbaum HJ. 1979. ''Men Who Rape: The Psychology of the Offender.''</ref> | Groth and Birnbaum (1979) summarized:<ref>Groth AN, Birnbaum HJ. 1979. ''Men Who Rape: The Psychology of the Offender.''</ref> | ||
{{quote|It is commonly—and mistakenly—assumed that men who rape do so either because they are sexually aroused or because they are ''sexually frustrated'', or both. In fact, as we have seen, the motives underlying such assaults have more to do with issues of [[Chad|anger and power]] than with pleasure and desire.}} | {{quote|It is commonly—and mistakenly—assumed that men who rape do so either because they are sexually aroused or because they are ''sexually frustrated'', or both. In fact, as we have seen, the motives underlying such assaults have more to do with issues of [[Chad|anger and power]] than with pleasure and desire.}} | ||
Furthermore, there is also an apparent [[Pareto principle|power law]] distribution concerning sexual offending among men. Evidence suggests that a small minority of men commit most rapes. One study on university campus rapes in the United States found that serial offenders committed more than 87% of cases of alcohol-involved sexual assault.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331853096_Is_Campus_Rape_Primarily_a_Serial_or_One-Time_Problem_Evidence_From_a_Multicampus_Study</ref> This further supports the idea that heterosexual male rapists are generally highly sexually active men with a high level of sexual entitlement, rather than socially marginalized men. | Furthermore, there is also an apparent [[Pareto principle|power law]] distribution concerning sexual offending among men. Evidence suggests that a small minority of men commit most rapes. One study on university campus rapes in the United States found that serial offenders committed more than 87% of cases of alcohol-involved sexual assault.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331853096_Is_Campus_Rape_Primarily_a_Serial_or_One-Time_Problem_Evidence_From_a_Multicampus_Study</ref> This further supports the idea that heterosexual male rapists are generally highly sexually active men with a high level of sexual entitlement, rather than socially marginalized men. | ||
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This typical rapist behavioural pattern, being typically inclusive of dominant traits,<ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ab.21685</ref> low behavioral inhibition and a personal history of promiscuous mating and interaction in social contexts that promote such (such as alcohol-fuelled parties<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0886260516670179</ref>) would of course not apply to the typical incel. Instead, a strong argument could be made that a random incel would be statistically much less likely to rape than a random, more sexually active and socially integrated male (controlling for base rates), as they would be less likely to possess the necessary character traits and opportunity to carry out these acts. | This typical rapist behavioural pattern, being typically inclusive of dominant traits,<ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ab.21685</ref> low behavioral inhibition and a personal history of promiscuous mating and interaction in social contexts that promote such (such as alcohol-fuelled parties<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0886260516670179</ref>) would of course not apply to the typical incel. Instead, a strong argument could be made that a random incel would be statistically much less likely to rape than a random, more sexually active and socially integrated male (controlling for base rates), as they would be less likely to possess the necessary character traits and opportunity to carry out these acts. | ||
Moreover, the tendency to single out incels as rapists likely reflects a tendency to view low-status males in a more negative light in general (as a form of [[failo effect]]}, such that these males are further presumed to be more likely to commit rapes of the kind that capture the popular imagination, such as violent stranger rapes that result in murder. This situation is similar to what is found with sexual harassment, where research has indicated that more attractive men can get away with objectively more sexually aggressive behavior compared to less attractive men, as the experience is perceived as less aversive by the victim.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_attractiveness_of_a_male_.27harasser.27_determines_if_the_experience_is_enjoyable_or_traumatic</ref> | Moreover, the tendency to single out incels as rapists likely reflects a tendency to view low-status males in a more negative light in general (as a form of [[failo effect]]}, such that these males are further presumed to be more likely to commit rapes of the kind that capture the popular imagination, such as violent stranger rapes that result in murder. This situation is similar to what is found with sexual harassment, where research has indicated that more attractive men can get away with objectively more sexually aggressive behavior compared to less attractive men, as the experience is perceived as less aversive by the victim.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_attractiveness_of_a_male_.27harasser.27_determines_if_the_experience_is_enjoyable_or_traumatic</ref> | ||
It seems likely that, in the subtext of the objective definition of rape as sexual coercion, a stereotype has been built up in which rape is viewed more as a socially maligned and mentally unstable low-status male seeking to subvert female mate choice than as objectively coercive behavior. Apart from being potentially highly evolutionarily costly to a female victim, which may make women more attentive to marginal cases of low-status men raping women, more broadly, this tendency may reflect general ancestral human adaptions that seek to direct mating, consciously or not, in a fashion that excludes lower-status men from the mating process, as was common throughout human history.<ref>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-012-0027-3 p. 485</ref> | It seems likely that, in the subtext of the objective definition of rape as sexual coercion, a stereotype has been built up in which rape is viewed more as a socially maligned and mentally unstable low-status male seeking to subvert female mate choice than as objectively coercive behavior. Apart from being potentially highly evolutionarily costly to a female victim, which may make women more attentive to marginal cases of low-status men raping women, more broadly, this tendency may reflect general ancestral human adaptions that seek to direct mating, consciously or not, in a fashion that excludes lower-status men from the mating process, as was common throughout human history.<ref>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-012-0027-3 p. 485</ref> | ||
It is also important to note that hitherto none of the mass killers who self-identified as incels committed any acts of sexual violence against women before the execution of their massacres, despite their suicidal/homicidal intentions and the obvious lack of non-metaphysical consequences for such deeds after their deaths. This reluctance to rape, even among highly violent incel men, suggests, indirectly and controversially, that even individuals selected for the phenotypic traits that would predict rape in the general population (psychopathy, violence proneness) are generally lower in sexual aggression compared to the broader population of men, who often endorse lower-level sexual coercive attitudes and behaviours that they perceive as being constituent of the general courtship ritual. <ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1363/psrh.12041</ref> | It is also important to note that hitherto none of the mass killers who self-identified as incels committed any acts of sexual violence against women before the execution of their massacres, despite their suicidal/homicidal intentions and the obvious lack of non-metaphysical consequences for such deeds after their deaths. This reluctance to rape, even among highly violent incel men, suggests, indirectly and controversially, that even individuals selected for the phenotypic traits that would predict rape in the general population (psychopathy, violence proneness) are generally lower in sexual aggression compared to the broader population of men, who often endorse lower-level sexual coercive attitudes and behaviours that they perceive as being constituent of the general courtship ritual. <ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1363/psrh.12041</ref> | ||
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In terms of the direct evidence that concerns the relationship between rape-supporting attitudes and violence, evidence suggests that experimental measures of things such as ‘rape myths’ (beliefs that women provoke rape or deserve it as punishment for gender norm violations) do not have validity in terms of predicting self-report sexual offending when controlling for things such as criminal history, childhood victimization, aggressive tendencies, substance use, and empathy level.<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/10790632211026287</ref> | In terms of the direct evidence that concerns the relationship between rape-supporting attitudes and violence, evidence suggests that experimental measures of things such as ‘rape myths’ (beliefs that women provoke rape or deserve it as punishment for gender norm violations) do not have validity in terms of predicting self-report sexual offending when controlling for things such as criminal history, childhood victimization, aggressive tendencies, substance use, and empathy level.<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/10790632211026287</ref> | ||
Such evidence lends more support to evolutionary psychology hypotheses that ascribe rape to individual differences in mating strategies, such as a [[life history|fast life history tendency]],<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051380800041X</ref> reflected in this case by a behavioral disposition that favours casual mating, seeks high levels of sexual variety, and possesses an instrumental, zero-sum view of sexuality focused on asserting dominance over attaining affiliation.<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051380800041X</ref> | Such evidence lends more support to evolutionary psychology hypotheses that ascribe rape to individual differences in mating strategies, such as a [[life history|fast life history tendency]],<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051380800041X</ref> reflected in this case by a behavioral disposition that favours casual mating, seeks high levels of sexual variety, and possesses an instrumental, zero-sum view of sexuality focused on asserting dominance over attaining affiliation.<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051380800041X</ref> | ||
The linking of misogynist attitudes and sexual violence brings to mind moral panics wherein attitudes and norms are believed to ‘prime’ or condition people for criminal behavior. A somewhat analogous example would be the argument that violent video games cause the incidence of real-world violent behavior when this has proven to be false.<ref>https://www.scribd.com/document/348071423/Div-46-Video-Games-Societal-Violence-Statement</ref> | The linking of misogynist attitudes and sexual violence brings to mind moral panics wherein attitudes and norms are believed to ‘prime’ or condition people for criminal behavior. A somewhat analogous example would be the argument that violent video games cause the incidence of real-world violent behavior when this has proven to be false.<ref>https://www.scribd.com/document/348071423/Div-46-Video-Games-Societal-Violence-Statement</ref> | ||
More broadly, research also shows that the idea that exposure to “radical” ideas would linearly increase violence is false (if misogyny can be considered radical, given the very high prevalence of means to [[female subordination|constrain female sexuality]] in human history). | More broadly, research also shows that the idea that exposure to “radical” ideas would linearly increase violence is false (if misogyny can be considered radical, given the very high prevalence of means to [[female subordination|constrain female sexuality]] in human history). | ||
John Horgan, director of the International Center for the Study of Terrorism at Pennsylvania State University, said:<ref>https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/everything-youve-been-told-about-radicalization-is-wrong-80445/</ref> | John Horgan, director of the International Center for the Study of Terrorism at Pennsylvania State University, said:<ref>https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/everything-youve-been-told-about-radicalization-is-wrong-80445/</ref> | ||
{{quote|The idea that radicalization causes terrorism is perhaps the greatest myth alive today in terrorism research. [...] [First,] the overwhelming majority of people who hold radical beliefs do not engage in violence. And second, “there is increasing evidence that people who engage in terrorism don’t necessarily hold radical beliefs.” }} | {{quote|The idea that radicalization causes terrorism is perhaps the greatest myth alive today in terrorism research. [...] [First,] the overwhelming majority of people who hold radical beliefs do not engage in violence. And second, “there is increasing evidence that people who engage in terrorism don’t necessarily hold radical beliefs.” }} | ||
{{see_also|[[Inceldom_FAQ#Are_incels_violent.3F|Are incels violent?]]}} | {{see_also|[[Inceldom_FAQ#Are_incels_violent.3F|Are incels violent?]]}} | ||
==Memes and art== | ==Memes and art== | ||
<youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1fVegSbrw</youtube> | <youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1fVegSbrw</youtube> | ||