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 Below is one of many female's descriptions from the [[reddit|subreddit]] [https://old.reddit.com/r/Rapekink /r/rapekink], of successfuly getting a man to want to rape her by feeding him drinks and 'baiting' him ([https://old.reddit.com/r/Rapekink/comments/844iws/update_first_rapebait_plan_oh_my_god_it_worked/ direct link], [http://archive.ph/oZ0CU archived version]):
 {{quote|So I had my party last weekend. […] I started acting like I'm crashing, leaning against the counter, acting like I couldn't tell that the way I was leaning a LOT of my cleavage was visible. […] I started being more aggressively flirty with one of the guys, giggling drunkenly at his jokes, touching his arm, brushing his crotch with my arm and so on, then I took him to my room and started making out on my bed. […] I told him to leave my room and fell back on the bed. He left the room, turning the light off on his way out. I was so disappointed. […] I just laid there for a few minutes, wondering if I could have played it differently. Then I heard the door open. […] He tapped me a bit on the shoulder, seemingly checking if I was really asleep. I didn't react. He ran his finger down my shoulder, down my back and oh my god, I was so tense, but kept still. […] He was on top of me and starred at me. It was the guy from earlier. He stared at me for a second and then just kept going, thrusting into me hard and fast. He pushed his arm against my chest, which actually constricted me quite a lot and just kept fucking me. I was so into it I didn't quite have the energy to struggle much, […] '''I came so hard'''.}}
 ==Are incels rapists?==
-The vast majority of incels do not support rape with very [[Caamib|few exceptions]]. Many, however, assume that involuntary celibacy is more painful for men than rape is for women. Deprivation is much more agonizing than discomfort that passes. This does not excuse rapists, but it is something women don't understand.
+Most incels, self-identified or not, do not support rape with very [[Caamib|few exceptions]]. Many, however, assume that involuntary celibacy is more painful for men than rape is for women. They argue that persistent deprivation is much more agonizing than passing discomfort. This argument does not excuse rapists, but it is something women don’t understand.
+There is a standard view that men are mainly driven to rape out of sexual deprivation, called the mate deprivation hypothesis of sexual assault.
 Several lines of research seem to disprove the notion that sexually unsuccessful men are more likely to be driven to rape out of desperation: Lalumière et al. (1996) conducted a study that found that sexually coercive men were more sexually successful, and had a higher self-perceived mate value.<ref name="ref48"></ref> Another study on male college students (N = 795) found that men who confessed to having previously raped or engaged in acts of sexual coercion also typically reported having more sexual partners than control men. While some of these rapists were recidivists, so their acts of rape would have served to also inflate their self-reported partner count, "number of sex partners" was found to be a significant predictor of likelihood of having previously carried out acts of sexual violence.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24567167</ref> Ellis, Widmayer & Palmer (2009) found that rapists reported a much greater number of lifetime sex partners (both mean and median) compared to non-rapists, though this may have been influenced by the fact that the authors didn't exclude non-heterosexual males from the sample.<ref name="ref50"></ref> Conversely, adult virgins tend to report lower engagement in risky behavior, a low [[sex drive]] and other slow [[life history]] traits.<ref>Haydon, A. A., Cheng, M. M., Herring, A. H., McRee, A.-L., & Halpern, C. T. (2013). Prevalence and Predictors of Sexual Inexperience in Adulthood. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 43(2), 221–230. doi:10.1007/s10508-013-0164-3</ref>
 Groth and Birnbaum (1979) summarized:<ref>Groth AN, Birnbaum HJ. 1979. ''Men Who Rape: The Psychology of the Offender.''</ref>
 {{quote|It is commonly—and mistakenly—assumed that men who rape do so either because they are sexually aroused or because they are ''sexually frustrated'', or both. In fact, as we have seen, the motives underlying such assaults have more to do with issues of [[Chad|anger and power]] than with pleasure and desire.}}
-Given that the majority of rapes of women (at least in the United States) are reported to be committed by acquaintances of the victims rather than strangers,<ref>https://www.rainn.org/statistics/perpetrators-sexual-violence</ref> and incels frequently report being shunned even from platonic relations with women, one could speculate that the inordinate fear some feminists have of incels committing acts of sexual violence is not caused by their fear of the act itself, but their primordial terror of being impregnated by what they see as 'inferior' men.
-It also important to note that hitherto none of the mass killers who self-identified as incels committed any acts of sexual violence against women prior to the execution of their massacres, despite their suicidal/homicidal intentions, and the obvious lack of non-metaphysical consequences for such deeds after their deaths.
-Rapists tend to have negative views of women, endorse rape myths, and identify with a hypermasculine role,<ref>Robertiello, G., & Terry, K. J. (2007). Can we profile sex offenders? A review of sex offender typologies. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 12(5), 508–518. doi:10.1016/j.avb.2007.02.010 </ref> which does overlap with views in the [[incelosphere|incel subculture]]. However, in actual rapists, these views are likely rather caused by a genetic [[life history|fast life history disposition]], while (online) incels are simply [[redpill]]ed. The question is whether the mere possession of such views increases the risk to commit rape or whether such views outside the incelosphere are only indicative of certain behavioral dispositions which are the actual cause of sexual violence. Related research favors the latter explanation. For example, playing of violent video games does not increase the incidence of real-world violent behavior.<ref>https://www.scribd.com/document/348071423/Div-46-Video-Games-Societal-Violence-Statement</ref> Research also shows that it is a widespread myth that exposure to "radical" ideas would increase violence (if misogyny can be considered radical at all given the very high prevalence of means to [[female subordination|constrain female sexuality]] in human history). John Horgan, director of the International Center for the Study of Terrorism at Pennsylvania State University said:<ref>https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/everything-youve-been-told-about-radicalization-is-wrong-80445/</ref>
+There is also an apparent [[Pareto principle|power law]] distribution concerning sexual offending among men. Evidence suggests that a small minority of men commit most rapes. One study on university campus rapes in the United States found that serial offenders committed more than 87% of alcohol-involved sexual assault.<ref>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331853096_Is_Campus_Rape_Primarily_a_Serial_or_One-Time_Problem_Evidence_From_a_Multicampus_Study</ref>
-{{quote|The idea that radicalization causes terrorism is perhaps the greatest myth alive today in terrorism research. [...] [First,] the overwhelming majority of people who hold radical beliefs do not engage in violence. And second, ''there is increasing evidence that people who engage in terrorism don’t necessarily hold radical beliefs.''}}
+Rapists tend to have negative views of women, endorse rape myths, and identify with a hypermasculine role,<ref>Robertiello, G., & Terry, K. J. (2007). Can we profile sex offenders? A review of sex offender typologies. Aggression and Violent Behavior, 12(5), 508–518. doi:10.1016/j.avb.2007.02.010 </ref> which does overlap with views in the [[incelosphere|incel subculture]]. The possible distinction between ‘Chad’ & ‘incel’ misogyny may be related to curvilinear sexism. Several studies have found that both high and low-mate-value men are higher in hostile sexism (overtly negative views of women) than men more at the middle of the scale of mate value, but only higher-status men compensate for this with concurrently higher benevolent sexism (having a chivalric attitude towards women that conform to typical feminine gender roles).<ref>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33890521/</ref><ref>https://bora.uib.no/bora-xmlui/handle/11250/3071027</ref> The curvilinear relationship between sexism and mate value together with the evidence that suggests rapists are generally high mate value (at least for short-term mating) suggests that rapist misogynists may more tend to be high mate value men who either lack this compensatory benevolent sexism or who direct their sexual violence more towards women who diverge from female chastity norms, while incels that are high in hostile sexism are more resentful of women due to being scorned and disregarded by women.
+This disjunct suggests distinct causal pathways for hostile sexism that break down along the lines of high sexual entitlement combined with a Machiavellian view of sexual relations compared to a form of hostile sexism motivated primarily by rejection due to low status.
+Furthermore, in actual rapists, these hostile sexist views are likely correlated with or caused by their more direct criminogenic traits, such as elevated primary psychopathy, which is linked to such attitudes and offending behaviour.<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7660300/</ref><ref>https://guilfordjournals.com/doi/abs/10.1521/pedi.2011.25.1.28</ref>
+This typical rapist behavioural pattern, being typically inclusive of dominant behavioral traits,<ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ab.21685</ref> low behavioral inhibition and a personal history of promiscuous mating and interaction in social contexts that promote such (such as alcohol-fuelled parties<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0886260516670179</ref>) would of course not apply to the typical incel. Instead, a strong argument could be made that a random incel would be statistically much less likely to rape than a random, more sexually active and socially integrated male (controlling for base rates), as they would be less likely to possess the necessary character traits and opportunity to carry out these acts.
+Moreover, the tendency to single out incels as rapists likely reflects a tendency to view low-status males in a more negative light in general (as a form of [[failo effect]]}, such that these males are further presumed to be more likely to commit rapes of the kind that capture the popular imagination, such as violent stranger rapes that result in murder. This situation is similar to what is found with sexual harassment, where research has indicated that more attractive men can get away with objectively more sexually aggressive behavior compared to less attractive men, as the experience is perceived as less aversive by the victim.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_attractiveness_of_a_male_.27harasser.27_determines_if_the_experience_is_enjoyable_or_traumatic</ref>
+It seems likely that, in the subtext of the objective definition of rape as sexual coercion, a stereotype has been built up in which rape is viewed more as a low-status male seeking to subvert female mate choice than as objectively coercive behavior. Apart from being potentially highly evolutionarily costly to a female victim, which may make women more attentive to marginal cases of low-status men raping women, more broadly, this tendency may reflect general ancestral human adaptions that seek to direct mating, consciously or not, in a fashion that excludes lower-status men from the mating process, as was common throughout human history.<ref>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-012-0027-3 p. 485</ref>
+It is also important to note that hitherto none of the mass killers who self-identified as incels committed any acts of sexual violence against women before the execution of their massacres, despite their suicidal/homicidal intentions and the obvious lack of non-metaphysical consequences for such deeds after their deaths. This reluctance to rape, even among highly violent incel men, suggests, indirectly and controversially, that even individuals selected for the phenotypic traits that would predict rape in the general population (psychopathy, violence proneness) are generally lower in sexual aggression compared to the broader population of men, who often endorse lower-level sexual coercive attitudes and behaviours that they perceive as being constituent of the general courtship ritual. <ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1363/psrh.12041</ref>
+This reluctance to sexually coerce even in contexts with no material downside indicates an ironically high adherence to idealized feminist norms surrounding ‘affirmative consent’ in sexual relationships.<ref>https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/affirmative-consent</ref>
+Whether these attitudes are caused by inexperience with non-verbal consent cues or a general timidity around women, this further suggests that men who struggle to attain relationships with women are unlikely to perpetuate rape.
+In terms of the direct evidence that concerns the relationship between rape-supporting attitudes and violence, evidence suggests that experimental measures of things such as ‘rape myths’ (beliefs that women provoke rape or deserve it as punishment for gender norm violations) do not have validity in terms of predicting self-report sexual offending when controlling for things such as criminal history, childhood victimization, aggressive tendencies, substance use, and empathy level.<ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/10790632211026287</ref>
+Such evidence lends more support to evolutionary psychology hypotheses that ascribe rape to individual differences in mating strategies, such as a [[life history|fast life history tendency]],<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051380800041X</ref> reflected in this case by a behavioral disposition that favours casual mating, seeks high levels of sexual variety, and possesses an instrumental, zero-sum view of sexuality focused on asserting dominance over attaining affiliation.<ref>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051380800041X</ref>
+The linking of misogynist attitudes and sexual violence brings to mind moral panics wherein attitudes and norms are believed to ‘prime’ or condition people for criminal behavior. Other examples would be the argument that violent video games cause the incidence of real-world violent behavior when this has proven to be false.<ref>https://www.scribd.com/document/348071423/Div-46-Video-Games-Societal-Violence-Statement</ref>
+More broadly, research also shows that the idea that exposure to “radical” ideas would linearly increase violence is false (if misogyny can be considered radical, given the very high prevalence of means to [[female subordination|constrain female sexuality]] in human history).
+John Horgan, director of the International Center for the Study of Terrorism at Pennsylvania State University, said:<ref>https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/everything-youve-been-told-about-radicalization-is-wrong-80445/</ref>
+{{quote|The idea that radicalization causes terrorism is perhaps the greatest myth alive today in terrorism research. [...] [First,] the overwhelming majority of people who hold radical beliefs do not engage in violence. And second, “there is increasing evidence that people who engage in terrorism don’t necessarily hold radical beliefs.” }}
 {{see_also|[[Inceldom_FAQ#Are_incels_violent.3F|Are incels violent?]]}}
 ==Memes and art==
 <youtube>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1fVegSbrw</youtube>

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