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{{main_article|[[Elliot Rodger's online posts]]}} | {{main_article|[[Elliot Rodger's online posts]]}} | ||
Elliot was an unhappy member of [[PSL|PUAhate]], which was not a self-identified incel forum. The forum was originally started to “expose” members of the (then-burgeoning) pick-up artist industry. A particular focus was put on mocking and trolling PUA artists and posts from supposed “insiders” of the industry that were exposing the fraudulent business practices of many prominent PUAs, as well as claims that these pick-up artists were nowhere near as sexually successful (without paying for [[whore|whores]]) as they claimed to be. | Elliot was an unhappy member of [[PSL|PUAhate]], which was not a self-identified incel forum. The forum was originally started to “expose” members of the (then-burgeoning) pick-up artist industry. A particular focus was put on mocking and trolling PUA artists and posts from supposed “insiders” of the industry that were exposing the fraudulent business practices of many prominent PUAs, as well as claims that these pick-up artists were nowhere near as sexually successful (without paying for [[whore|whores]]) as they claimed to be. | ||
Due to this anti-PUA focus and the debunking of the (often ludicrous) claims of PUAs regarding the application of “game,” the forum soon attracted sexually frustrated men for whom conventional dating advice wasn’t working. Many of these men were incels, and indeed, much of the lingo and theories one reads on certain modern incel forums originated on Puahate. The forum was split between those who advocated [[looks theory]], a precursor to the [[blackpill]], and those who adopted certain beliefs of the PUAs, in particular, the [[redpill]], while generally disputing the effectiveness of “game.” Much of the theories espoused on the forum were tongue-in-cheek, and the forum had a general | Due to this anti-PUA focus and the debunking of the (often ludicrous) claims of PUAs regarding the application of “game,” the forum soon attracted sexually frustrated men for whom conventional dating advice wasn’t working. Many of these men were incels, and indeed, much of the lingo and theories one reads on certain modern incel forums originated on Puahate. The forum was split between those who advocated [[looks theory]], a precursor to the [[blackpill]], and those who adopted certain beliefs of the PUAs, in particular, the [[redpill]], while generally disputing the effectiveness of “game.” Much of the theories espoused on the forum were tongue-in-cheek, and the forum had a general “anything goes” censorship policy as it pertained to the popular “shitty advice” forum, which led to the forum becoming a base for internet trolling. | ||
Elliot originally seemed to sense a certain affinity to the users of the forum, describing it in his manifesto as “a forum full of men who are starved of sex, just like me.”<ref>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/30/elliot-rodger-puahate-forever-alone-reddit-forumsM/</ref> | Elliot originally seemed to sense a certain affinity to the users of the forum, describing it in his manifesto as “a forum full of men who are starved of sex, just like me.” <ref>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/30/elliot-rodger-puahate-forever-alone-reddit-forumsM/</ref> | ||
While on the forum, it appears Rodger was subjected to bullying by certain other members of the forum. This, together with his probable realization that [[fakecel|many of the forum users weren’t as sexually frustrated as they claimed to be]], apparently led him to sour on the forum. Rodger ultimately condemned the site and its userbase. | While on the forum, it appears Rodger was subjected to bullying by certain other members of the forum. This, together with his probable realization that [[fakecel|many of the forum users weren’t as sexually frustrated as they claimed to be]], apparently led him to sour on the forum. Rodger ultimately condemned the site and its userbase. | ||
His last post there (and anywhere on the internet) read: “Puahate is full of stupid, disgusting, mentally ill degenerates who take pleasure in putting down others.” <ref>https://www.independent.com/2015/02/20/elliot-rodger-report-details-long-struggle-mental-illness/</ref> His shooting resulted in [[PSL| PUAhate’s]] closing, soon replaced by the site “Sluthate,” which had a significant overlap in users. | His last post there (and anywhere on the internet) read: “Puahate is full of stupid, disgusting, mentally ill degenerates who take pleasure in putting down others.” <ref>https://www.independent.com/2015/02/20/elliot-rodger-report-details-long-struggle-mental-illness/</ref> His shooting resulted in [[PSL| PUAhate’s]] closing, soon replaced by the site “Sluthate,” which had a significant overlap in users. | ||
It likely that | It is likely that Rodger edited Wikipedia under the handle “ElliotR1”, which is a handle he used on other sites.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3A2014_Isla_Vista_killings%2FArchive_1</ref> “ElliotR1” was banned from Wikipedia for vandalizing pages relating to pop star Justin Bieber (then a sex symbol to young women), sexual activities such as the entries for “footjob” and “fellatio”, and the article on his grandfather, British photojournalist George Rodger. The influence that browsing bodybuilding.com and PUAhate had on Rodger’s mentality may also be indicated by the ElliotR1 user’s vandalism of the pages for the male model Simon Nessman and the short-lived bodybuilder and internet meme Aziz Shavershian (zyzz). Zyzz was worshipped on bodybuilding.com’s misc subforum as a man who possessed the ideal ‘aesthetic’ physique and Nessman was commonly portrayed as an archetypal ‘Chad’ by certain users on the PUAhate forum and its successor Sluthate. These edits, if indeed put through by Rodger as seems to be the case, offer a further indicator of his rage towards sexually successful and handsome men. | ||
Rodger’s manifesto never mentioned the word “incel” directly, though he spoke at length of his envy of other men’s sexual success and his sexual frustration. He only used the term “incel” a couple of times to self-identify in his internet posting career on [[PUAhate]]. | Rodger’s manifesto never mentioned the word “incel” directly, though he spoke at length of his envy of other men’s sexual success and his sexual frustration. He only used the term “incel” a couple of times to self-identify in his internet posting career on [[PUAhate]]. | ||
He | He spent some of this forum time in the anti-pick-up artist culture and websites tangentially related to dating, such as bodybuilding.com and PUAhate, where he vented his sexual frustrations. He also likely posted on an online forum, “Teenspot”, a social networking site for teens under his “ElliotR1” alias. In his posts on the forum, he requested users rate his attractiveness and asked them what their perceptions of his ethnicity were. “ElliotR1” was enraged by the response by the forum’s users to his thread, as some stated that he looked “Mexican” and was a “5.5/10”. He was accused of creating several alt accounts to flame users and give himself false ratings. However, some accounts purporting to be female, seemingly established users on the website, did give him high ratings.<ref>https://archive.vn/MOZwv</ref> Some users opined that his [[Dark triad#Vulnerable_narcissism|narcissism and sensitivity to criticism]], as displayed by him using sockpuppet accounts to rate himself high and his verbal lashing out towards women who gave him mediocre attractiveness ratings, was the reason he couldn’t get a girlfriend. | ||
There is no proof of him spending any time at all in the actual incel forums around at the time (such as [[incelsupport]] or [[Love-shy dot com|love-shy.com]]). | There is no proof of him spending any time at all in the actual incel forums around at the time (such as [[incelsupport]] or [[Love-shy dot com|love-shy.com]]). | ||