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==Blackpill Feminism==
==Blackpill Feminism==
Was a community of radical feminist women who accepted the idea of biological determism as determining sex differences, but instead of using this to promote patriarchy or monogamy, they opposed dating men and viewed them as biologically inferior and hence untrainable. Issues spoken about by feminists, such as male sexual violence and patriarchy, were argued to be biologically determined. Thus they were 'blackpilled' in regards to fixing these issues, apart from recourse to extreme methods that generally involved deploying violence against men and reduction of their numbers in relation to women. Their subreddit [https://web.archive.org/web/20200417214641/http://www.reddit.com/r/blackpillfeminism/ r/Blackpillfeminism] was short-lived.
Was a community of radical feminist women who accepted the idea of biological determism as determining sex differences, but instead of using this to promote patriarchy or monogamy, they opposed dating men and viewed them as biologically inferior and hence untrainable. Issues spoken about by feminists, such as male sexual violence and patriarchy, were argued to be biologically determined. Thus they were 'blackpilled' in regards to fixing these issues, apart from recourse to extreme methods that generally involved deploying violence against men and reduction of their numbers in relation to women. Their subreddit [https://web.archive.org/web/20200417214641/http://www.reddit.com/r/blackpillfeminism/ r/Blackpillfeminism] was short-lived.
==Criticism of such communities==
===Claims the Blackpill is cultish===
Blackpill memes on Reddit were largely shared for shitposting and venting,<ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=braincels%20vent%20&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=&searchtype=comments&search=true&start=0&end=1582986983&size=1000</ref><ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelExit/comments/dqddyw/what_does_exit_mean_in_this_sub/f62negc/</ref> This is similar to the nihilistic shitposting culture that is common on other internet forums, such as 4chan, which influenced the blackpill greatly. Cultish elements may have developed due to some members taking the shitposting very seriously.
Still, explicit incel forums like [[incels.co]] and the like have been portrayed as being more extreme and cultish compared to Reddit, e.g. with members explicitly luring in newcomers under the slogan to "learn about the blackpill" and "[[LDAR|lay down and rot]]".<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/File:Bbb.png</ref>
===Blackpill proselytism and activism===
Some of the most dedicated members in blackpilled forums actively seek to "spread the blackpill", which often involves using studies, online dating experiments and other forms of evidence to induce others to "swallow" the blackpill narrative, generally surrounding looks being important for man's dating success/or men's dating success being largely immutable in general. Some have likened this to cultish behavior.
These 'blackpill evangelists' engage in this behavior for several reasons. Some argue they do this to lessen feelings of shame or guilt among incels and relieve them from false hope,<ref>https://incels.is/threads/what-are-you-doing-to-spread-the-blackpill.53911/#post-995860,</ref> some want to change discourse in society,<ref>https://incels.is/threads/infiltrating-universities-to-spread-the-blackpill.67531/</ref> while others are vocal about trying to full-on "spark a revolution". Seemingly, the main thing that distinguishes the most cultish members from typical cults is their lack of congruent or zealous community philosophical leaders, which makes the 'ideology' rather reflexive and inchoate in general. It would be safer to argue that that the blackpill belief system is not completely coherent, as has been claimed, but rather a broad intellectual heuristic that is applied in reaction to what blackpillers perceive as the intolerable condition of the modern mating market. Thus, the more extreme forms of the 'blackpill' are closely linked to the rise of so-called 'salad bar extremism', wherein alienated and disaffected people tend to unify their grievances in response to the growth of the internet and social media.<ref>https://eeradicalization.com/the-extremism-market-and-salad-bar-ideology/</ref> This could be why it is commonly perceived that blackpillers are 'alt-right', despite there being no clear or actual link between the two schools of thought.
On [[incels.co]] there are no leaders who promote the blackpill in such an organized way. The argument that blackpilled incels are an organized group that advocates extremist solutions to social issues has caught hold in academia, where it is commonly argued that 'incels' constitute some sort of extremist movement.<ref>https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/cseun/</ref>
===Claimed far-right links===
The person who first formalized the blackpill, [[Paragon]], believed in [[biological essentialism]], which in modern times is generally linked to the political right. The first modern redpill/blackpill influenced incel boards anywhere were either founded or discussion-seeded by a self-described "neo-reactionary", who allowed the dicussion of violence on his forums, i.e. [[Caamib]]. He, however, rejected certain core ideas of the blackpill, namely lookism. His focus was on feminism as the sole cause of involuntarily celibacy. Reddit made it clear they would not tolerate that style of incel discussion, and so Braincels was populated next. Braincels was a previously dormant sub founded by an anarcho-communist named [[AnathematicAnarchist]]. The forum was not particularly traditionalist or [[alt-right]]. [[Braincels]] actively sought to minimize racism in their Reddit community before [[AnathematicAnarchist]] committed suicide, and they were largely hostile to the racialist aspects of the alt-right.<ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=racism%20&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=0&end=1583051366&size=100</ref><ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=alt-right&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=0&end=1583051401&size=100</ref>


==Blackpill vs redpill==
==Blackpill vs redpill==
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==Criticism of the Blackpill itself==
 
==Criticism of Blackpill communities==
===Claims the Blackpill is cultish===
Blackpill memes on Reddit were largely shared for shitposting and venting,<ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=braincels%20vent%20&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=&searchtype=comments&search=true&start=0&end=1582986983&size=1000</ref><ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelExit/comments/dqddyw/what_does_exit_mean_in_this_sub/f62negc/</ref> This is similar to the nihilistic shitposting culture that is common on other internet forums, such as 4chan, which influenced the blackpill greatly. Cultish elements may have developed due to some members taking the shitposting very seriously.
Still, explicit incel forums like [[incels.co]] and the like have been portrayed as being more extreme and cultish compared to Reddit, e.g. with members explicitly luring in newcomers under the slogan to "learn about the blackpill" and "[[LDAR|lay down and rot]]".<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/File:Bbb.png</ref>
 
===Blackpill proselytism and activism===
Some of the most dedicated members in blackpilled forums actively seek to "spread the blackpill", which often involves using studies, online dating experiments and other forms of evidence to induce others to "swallow" the blackpill narrative, generally surrounding looks being important for man's dating success/or men's dating success being largely immutable in general. Some have likened this to cultish behavior.
 
These 'blackpill evangelists' engage in this behavior for several reasons. Some argue they do this to lessen feelings of shame or guilt among incels and relieve them from false hope,<ref>https://incels.is/threads/what-are-you-doing-to-spread-the-blackpill.53911/#post-995860,</ref> some want to change discourse in society,<ref>https://incels.is/threads/infiltrating-universities-to-spread-the-blackpill.67531/</ref> while others are vocal about trying to full-on "spark a revolution". Seemingly, the main thing that distinguishes the most cultish members from typical cults is their lack of congruent or zealous community philosophical leaders, which makes the 'ideology' rather reflexive and inchoate in general. It would be safer to argue that that the blackpill belief system is not completely coherent, as has been claimed, but rather a broad intellectual heuristic that is applied in reaction to what blackpillers perceive as the intolerable condition of the modern mating market. Thus, the more extreme forms of the 'blackpill' are closely linked to the rise of so-called 'salad bar extremism', wherein alienated and disaffected people tend to unify their grievances in response to the growth of the internet and social media.<ref>https://eeradicalization.com/the-extremism-market-and-salad-bar-ideology/</ref> This could be why it is commonly perceived that blackpillers are 'alt-right', despite there being no clear or actual link between the two schools of thought.
 
On [[incels.co]] there are no leaders who promote the blackpill in such an organized way. The argument that blackpilled incels are an organized group that advocates extremist solutions to social issues has caught hold in academia, where it is commonly argued that 'incels' constitute some sort of extremist movement.<ref>https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/cseun/</ref>
 
===Claimed far-right links===
The person who first formalized the blackpill, [[Paragon]], believed in [[biological essentialism]], which in modern times is generally linked to the political right. The first modern redpill/blackpill influenced incel boards anywhere were either founded or discussion-seeded by a self-described "neo-reactionary", who allowed the dicussion of violence on his forums, i.e. [[Caamib]]. He, however, rejected certain core ideas of the blackpill, namely lookism. His focus was on feminism as the sole cause of involuntarily celibacy. Reddit made it clear they would not tolerate that style of incel discussion, and so Braincels was populated next. Braincels was a previously dormant sub founded by an anarcho-communist named [[AnathematicAnarchist]]. The forum was not particularly traditionalist or [[alt-right]]. [[Braincels]] actively sought to minimize racism in their Reddit community before [[AnathematicAnarchist]] committed suicide, and they were largely hostile to the racialist aspects of the alt-right.<ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=racism%20&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=0&end=1583051366&size=100</ref><ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=alt-right&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=0&end=1583051401&size=100</ref>
 
====Criticism of the Blackpill itself====
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'''Too much focus on looks''': Superficial traits like looks, height, income, masculinity are at best weak predictors of sexual success as measured by e.g. partner count,<ref>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-006-9075-x</ref><ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1474704915604563</ref><ref>https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2011.587758</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Across_91_studies.2C_bodily_masculinity_was_predictive_of_men.27s_mating_and_reproductive_success</ref> with muscularity being the only consistent (but also weak) predictor of lifetime sexual success among a variety of superficial variables,<ref>https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.06.980896v3</ref> so looks are unlikely to explain most inceldom except for extremely physically unattractive individuals perhaps. Men are also seemingly bad at accurately judging their own looks.<ref>[https://doi.org/10.2307/3033724 http://doi.org/10.2307/3033724]</ref><ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631</ref> However, looks ''do'' matter somewhat in terms of {{W|assortative mating}} as attractiveness ratings within couples (both short and long-term) are moderately correlated (r = .4), meaning very attractive people rarely mate with very unattractive ones.<ref>https://dor.org/10.1037/0033-2909.104.2.226</ref>
'''Too much focus on looks''': Superficial traits like looks, height, income, masculinity are at best weak predictors of sexual success as measured by e.g. partner count,<ref>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-006-9075-x</ref><ref>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1474704915604563</ref><ref>https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2011.587758</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Across_91_studies.2C_bodily_masculinity_was_predictive_of_men.27s_mating_and_reproductive_success</ref> with muscularity being the only consistent (but also weak) predictor of lifetime sexual success among a variety of superficial variables,<ref>https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.06.980896v3</ref> so looks are unlikely to explain most inceldom except for extremely physically unattractive individuals perhaps. Men are also seemingly bad at accurately judging their own looks.<ref>[https://doi.org/10.2307/3033724 http://doi.org/10.2307/3033724]</ref><ref>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631</ref> However, looks ''do'' matter somewhat in terms of {{W|assortative mating}} as attractiveness ratings within couples (both short and long-term) are moderately correlated (r = .4), meaning very attractive people rarely mate with very unattractive ones.<ref>https://dor.org/10.1037/0033-2909.104.2.226</ref>
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'''Female sexuality more flexible than assumed''': Most blackpillers and redpillers, especially those focusing on female mate choice, regard female sexual desire is very inflexible, however there is substantial evidence that female sexuality is actually ''more'' malleable by culture than men's (see [[Roy Baumeister]]'s research).
'''Female sexuality more flexible than assumed''': Most blackpillers and redpillers, especially those focusing on female mate choice, regard female sexual desire is very inflexible, however there is substantial evidence that female sexuality is actually ''more'' malleable by culture than men's (see [[Roy Baumeister]]'s research).
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