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Blackpillers mostly believe in [[biological essentialism|biological essentialism]] and evolutionary explanations for human social and sexual behavior. Many of these beliefs are not new at all, but draw from established scientific literature, e.g. on [[Briffault's law]], [[Bateman's principle]], [[Fisherian runaway]] and [[sexy sons hypothesis]].
Blackpillers mostly believe in [[biological essentialism|biological essentialism]] and evolutionary explanations for human social and sexual behavior. Many of these beliefs are not new at all, but draw from established scientific literature, e.g. on [[Briffault's law]], [[Bateman's principle]], [[Fisherian runaway]] and [[sexy sons hypothesis]].
==Blackpill science==
Largely separate from other incel or blackpill communities, some communities like to share and read scientific studies on dating and human sexual behavior on [https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience /r/BlackPillScience], which later lead to the creation of the [[Scientific Blackpill]] article. These groups proposed a more extended definition of the blackpill, revolving around determinism rather than simple lookism, and weren't prescriptive in regards to the consequences of such lines of evidence.
==Traditionalism==
Reddit's incel boards were mostly apolitical, and the term "blackpill" mostly meant "it's all about looks and hence [[it's over]]".
After the banning of [[Braincels|/r/braincels]], however, blackpillers left on [[incels.co]] were dominated by people who promoted certain traditionalist/social conservative ideas as the solution to male inceldom, specifically [[monogamy]] and general male domination of women. They attempted to incorporate this into the blackpill.
====Tradionalist's arguments====
Traditionalist blackpillers push for a return to [[traditionalism|traditions]], [[sexual sublimation]], [[monogamy]] and the [[Scientific Blackpill (Supplemental)#Women_were_historically_predominantly_involved_in_cooking_and_they_never_dominated_men|'natural subordination']] of women. This is seen in accordance with the [[greatest happiness principle]] as even women themselves are thought to be currently unhappy,<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill_(Supplemental)#Self-rated_female_happiness_has_been_declining_since_the_1970s_in_the_US</ref> and desire being subordinated and manned around.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#62.25_of_women_have_fantasies_about_rape_and_other_forced_sex_acts</ref>
The social conservatism and focus on [[sexual sublimation]] reminds of the philosophy of 20th century English ethnologist [[J. D. Unwin]]. Most traditionalist blackpillers are atheist, leading one to suspect the validity of their attachment to 'tradition,  but some promote 'cultural Christianity' or other religions.
Non-traditionalist blackpillers tend to be anti-[[tradcon]].
==Blackpill Feminism==
Was a community of radical feminist women who accepted the idea of biological determism as determining sex differences, but instead of using this to promote patriarchy or monogamy, they opposed dating men and viewed them as biologically inferior and hence untrainable. Issues spoken about by feminists, such as male sexual violence and patriarchy, were argued to be biologically determined. Thus they were 'blackpilled' in regards to fixing these issues, apart from recourse to extreme methods that generally involved deploying violence against men and reduction of their numbers in relation to women. Their subreddit [https://web.archive.org/web/20200417214641/http://www.reddit.com/r/blackpillfeminism/ r/Blackpillfeminism] was short-lived.
==Criticism of such communities==
==Criticism of such communities==
===Shitposting vs cult===
===Shitposting vs cult===
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On [[incels.co]] there are no such leaders who promote the blackpill in such an organized way. The argument that blackpilled incels are an organized group that advocates extremist solutions to social issues has caught hold in academia, where it is commonly argued that 'incels' constitute some sort of extremist movement.<ref>https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/cseun/</ref>
On [[incels.co]] there are no such leaders who promote the blackpill in such an organized way. The argument that blackpilled incels are an organized group that advocates extremist solutions to social issues has caught hold in academia, where it is commonly argued that 'incels' constitute some sort of extremist movement.<ref>https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/cseun/</ref>


===Blackpill science===
===Claimed Alt-right links===
Largely separate from other incel or blackpill communities, people have begun to share and read scientific studies on dating and human sexual behavior on [https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience /r/BlackPillScience], which later lead to the creation of the [[Scientific Blackpill]] article by incels.co ex-mod RageAgainstTheTDL, as well as wiki writers Altmark22 and Bibipi.
===Alt-right===
The person who first formalized the blackpill, [[Paragon]], believed in [[biological essentialism]]. The first modern redpill/blackpill influenced incel boards anywhere were either founded or discussion-seeded by a self-described "neo-reactionary", who allowed the promotion of violence on his forums, i.e. [[Caamib]]. He, however, rejected certain core ideas of the blackpill, namely lookism. His focus was on feminism as the sole cause of involuntarily celibacy. Reddit made it clear they would not tolerate that style of incel discussion, and so Braincels was populated next. Braincels was a previously dormant sub founded by an anarcho-communist named [[AnathematicAnarchist]]. The forum espoused a unique version of the blackpill and was not particularly traditionalist or [[alt-right]]. [[Braincels]] actively sought to minimize racism in their Reddit community before [[AnathematicAnarchist]] committed suicide, and they were largely hostile to the racialist aspects of the alt-right.<ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=racism%20&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=0&end=1583051366&size=100</ref><ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=alt-right&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=0&end=1583051401&size=100</ref>
The person who first formalized the blackpill, [[Paragon]], believed in [[biological essentialism]]. The first modern redpill/blackpill influenced incel boards anywhere were either founded or discussion-seeded by a self-described "neo-reactionary", who allowed the promotion of violence on his forums, i.e. [[Caamib]]. He, however, rejected certain core ideas of the blackpill, namely lookism. His focus was on feminism as the sole cause of involuntarily celibacy. Reddit made it clear they would not tolerate that style of incel discussion, and so Braincels was populated next. Braincels was a previously dormant sub founded by an anarcho-communist named [[AnathematicAnarchist]]. The forum espoused a unique version of the blackpill and was not particularly traditionalist or [[alt-right]]. [[Braincels]] actively sought to minimize racism in their Reddit community before [[AnathematicAnarchist]] committed suicide, and they were largely hostile to the racialist aspects of the alt-right.<ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=racism%20&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=0&end=1583051366&size=100</ref><ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=alt-right&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=0&end=1583051401&size=100</ref>
===Traditionalism===
Reddit's incel boards were mostly apolitical, and the term "blackpill" mostly meant "it's all about looks and hence [[it's over]]".
After the banning of [[Braincels|/r/braincels]], however, blackpillers left on [[incels.co]] were dominated by people who promoted certain traditionalist/social conservative ideas as the solution to male inceldom, specifically [[monogamy]] and general male domination of women. They attempted to incorporate this into the blackpill.
====Their arguments====
Traditionalist blackpillers push for a return to [[traditionalism|traditions]], [[sexual sublimation]], [[monogamy]] and the [[Scientific Blackpill (Supplemental)#Women_were_historically_predominantly_involved_in_cooking_and_they_never_dominated_men|'natural subordination']] of women. This is seen in accordance with the [[greatest happiness principle]] as even women themselves are thought to be currently unhappy,<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill_(Supplemental)#Self-rated_female_happiness_has_been_declining_since_the_1970s_in_the_US</ref> and desire being subordinated and manned around.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#62.25_of_women_have_fantasies_about_rape_and_other_forced_sex_acts</ref>
The social conservatism and focus on [[sexual sublimation]] reminds of the philosophy of 20th century English ethnologist [[J. D. Unwin]]. Most traditionalist blackpillers are atheist, leading one to suspect the validity of their attachment to 'tradition,  but some promote 'cultural Christianity' or other religions.
Non-traditionalist blackpillers tend to be anti-[[tradcon]].
===Blackpill Feminism===
Was a community of radical feminist women who accepted the idea of biological determism as determining sex differences, but instead of using this to promote patriarchy or monogamy, they opposed dating men and viewed them as biologically inferior and hence untrainable. Issues spoken about by feminists, such as male sexual violence and patriarchy, were argued to be biologically determined. Thus they were 'blackpilled' in regards to fixing these issues, apart from recourse to extreme methods that generally involved deploying violence against men and reduction of their numbers in relation to women. Their subreddit [https://web.archive.org/web/20200417214641/http://www.reddit.com/r/blackpillfeminism/ r/Blackpillfeminism] was short-lived.


==Themes==
==Themes==
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