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The users of the forum differed in their opinion as to what traits made Rodger incel, but generally concurred in their impression of (in their view) his effeminate mannerisms and general [[social awkwardness]] as being the most likely cause of his involuntary celibacy. One user wrote of Rodger (likely facetiously):{{Quote| He’s not "[[ugly]]" in layman's terms, but he has no sex appeal. [[facial masculinity|Short lower third]] and [[fWHR|gay midface]], [[cutecel|with zero brow ridge]]. We must dig deeper [...] He should have gotten a hair-cut, [[thugmaxxing|acquired neck tattoos]] and [[dark triad|gone over the top with the sociopathic act]], that would have gotten him hotties. Unfortunately, like most on this site, he's too [[Asperger's syndrome|aspie]] to realise it. Lock him up and throw away the key.<ref>https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ucsb-shooting-forum-associated-with-elliot-rodger-reacts-2014-5?r=US&IR=T</ref>}} | The users of the forum differed in their opinion as to what traits made Rodger incel, but generally concurred in their impression of (in their view) his effeminate mannerisms and general [[social awkwardness]] as being the most likely cause of his involuntary celibacy. One user wrote of Rodger (likely facetiously):{{Quote| He’s not "[[ugly]]" in layman's terms, but he has no sex appeal. [[facial masculinity|Short lower third]] and [[fWHR|gay midface]], [[cutecel|with zero brow ridge]]. We must dig deeper [...] He should have gotten a hair-cut, [[thugmaxxing|acquired neck tattoos]] and [[dark triad|gone over the top with the sociopathic act]], that would have gotten him hotties. Unfortunately, like most on this site, he's too [[Asperger's syndrome|aspie]] to realise it. Lock him up and throw away the key.<ref>https://www.businessinsider.com.au/ucsb-shooting-forum-associated-with-elliot-rodger-reacts-2014-5?r=US&IR=T</ref>}} | ||
In the [[manosphere]], particularly among pick-up artists, there was generally an attempt to distance themselves from Rodger in response to attempts by feminists and the media to link Rodger to what was then the foremost faction of the manosphere. The consensus among them was that Rodger was a "game denialist", owing to his use of the anti-PUA forum Puahate. They argued that learning PUA and deploying "game" would have helped Rodger get laid, thereby averting the massacre.<ref>https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/</ref> | In the [[manosphere]], particularly among pick-up artists, there was generally an attempt to distance themselves from Rodger in response to attempts by feminists and the media to link Rodger to what was then the foremost faction of the manosphere. The consensus among them was that Rodger was a "game denialist", owing to his use of the anti-PUA forum Puahate. They argued that learning PUA and deploying "game" would have helped Rodger get laid, thereby averting the massacre.<ref>https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/24/pickup-artists-argue-that-game-is-the-solution-to-elliot-rodger-style-rampages-heres-why-theyre-wrong/</ref> | ||
Several (then nascent) alt-right figures seemingly attempted to distance their 'movement' from the incident by claiming Elliot Rodger's British Father, Peter, was ethnically Jewish.<ref>https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/961419526331076608?lang=en</ref> | |||
There is little evidence for this assertion, and it likely stems from a "Peter Rodger' being listed on a British Jewish film site.<ref>https://ukjewishfilm.org/people/peter-rodger/</ref> | |||
Peter Rodger's father was the British photojournalist George Rodger (of predominately Scottish descent<ref>https://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/iconic-images/george-rodger-1908-1995-iconic-photographer-15402</ref>), who was famous for being the first to photograph the liberation of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp by British troops in April 1945.<ref>https://ejlw.eu/article/download/36907/34435/46236</ref> | |||
Peter Rodger's mother is the American Journalist Lois "Jinx" Rodger (née Witherspoon, an Anglo-Scottish [from the border regions of the former Kind of Strathclyde] surname https://www.houseofnames.com/witherspoon-family-crest). There is no strong evidence Lois Rodgers is of Jewish descent, with all reporting on her invariably describing her as a generic "American".<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/14/opinion/IHT-more-to-the-picture-letters-to-the-editor.html</ref> | |||
==Vlogs== | ==Vlogs== | ||
Rodger posted several videos, which generally took the form of monologues of him talking about his loneliness and (perceived, since he didn't seem to have explicitly asked women out for dates as such) rejection by women on Youtube with titles such as "Why Don't Girls Like Me?" Other videos on his channel took the form of random vlogs depicting him driving around the streets of Isla Vista while playing 80s music (a possible [[incel trait]]) and soaking in the scenery in various locales in and around the suburb. The disturbing content of these videos, which included open violent and suicidal ideation, led to someone (likely his mother) informing police of them, and they subsequently paid him a visit prior to the massacre. The deputies who visited him later described him as "[[shy]], timid and [[nice guy|polite]]." After this visit, they left him alone, as they had no legal reason to detain him. Rodger wrote in his manifesto that after this visit, he slept with one of his pistols under his pillow so he could at least get a few kills before being detained/killed by the police in the event of them attempting to avert his plans. | Rodger posted several videos, which generally took the form of monologues of him talking about his loneliness and (perceived, since he didn't seem to have explicitly asked women out for dates as such) rejection by women on Youtube with titles such as "Why Don't Girls Like Me?" Other videos on his channel took the form of random vlogs depicting him driving around the streets of Isla Vista while playing 80s music (a possible [[incel trait]]) and soaking in the scenery in various locales in and around the suburb. The disturbing content of these videos, which included open violent and suicidal ideation, led to someone (likely his mother) informing police of them, and they subsequently paid him a visit prior to the massacre. The deputies who visited him later described him as "[[shy]], timid and [[nice guy|polite]]." After this visit, they left him alone, as they had no legal reason to detain him. Rodger wrote in his manifesto that after this visit, he slept with one of his pistols under his pillow so he could at least get a few kills before being detained/killed by the police in the event of them attempting to avert his plans. | ||