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What can be achieved by personality traits like confidence/extroversion, niceness etc. ("[[game]]") during courtship seems to be highly overrated as research indicates initial romantic interest is mainly about looks and that personality traits do not play any role.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_speed_dating</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_video_dating</ref><ref name="walster">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_blind_dating</ref> Fruthermore, access to women is thought to be largely determined by [[dominance hierarchy|dominance status]] among males as determined by [[LMS|looks, resources, status]], [[IQ|competence]], [[neurotypical]]ity etc, rather than direct courtship.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Men.27s_social_status_accounts_for_62.25_of_the_variance_of_copulation_opportunities</ref>
What can be achieved by personality traits like confidence/extroversion, niceness etc. ("[[game]]") during courtship seems to be highly overrated as research indicates initial romantic interest is mainly about looks and that personality traits do not play any role.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_speed_dating</ref><ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_video_dating</ref><ref name="walster">https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Looks_are_most_important_to_women_in_blind_dating</ref> Fruthermore, access to women is thought to be largely determined by [[dominance hierarchy|dominance status]] among males as determined by [[LMS|looks, resources, status]], [[IQ|competence]], [[neurotypical]]ity etc, rather than direct courtship.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Men.27s_social_status_accounts_for_62.25_of_the_variance_of_copulation_opportunities</ref>


Human courtship hence mainly amounts to a [[Sex drive#Female_passivity|coy waiting time]] in which the female tests her suitor and gathers social information about his status.<ref name="tradeinfo">Wachtmeister, C.A. and Enquist, M., 1999. ''The evolution of female coyness–trading time for information.'' [[https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2008.1273 Abstract]]</ref><ref name="optimal">McNamara, J.M., Fromhage, L., Barta, Z. and Houston, A.I.. 2008. ''The optimal coyness game.'' [[https://doi.org/10.1046/j.1439-0310.1999.00487.x Abstract]]</ref><ref name="biobasis">Grammer K. 1989. ''Human  courtship  behaviour: biological  basis  and  cognitive processing.'' In: Rasa, A.E., Vogel, C. and Voland,E. (eds.): The Sociobiology of Sexual and Reproductive Strategies Chapmann and Hall,1989, New York. [[https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8eab/95d1298b5165b84872c533f4f46a7805a0e4.pdf FullText]]</ref> The [[sexy sons hypothesis]] explains the phenomenon that women are less coy if the man is good looking and sexy because potentially better looking offspring will make up for any potential flaws regarding character or resource provision.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_attractiveness_gap_in_a_couple_predicts_how_long_they_wait_before_engaging_in_sex</ref>
Human courtship hence mainly amounts to a [[Sex drive#Female_passivity|coy waiting time]] in which the female tests her suitor and gathers social information about his status.<ref name="tradeinfo">Wachtmeister, C.A. and Enquist, M., 1999. ''The evolution of female coyness–trading time for information.'' [[https://doi.org/10.1098/rspb.2008.1273 Abstract]]</ref><ref name="optimal">McNamara, J.M., Fromhage, L., Barta, Z. and Houston, A.I.. 2008. ''The optimal coyness game.'' [[https://doi.org/10.1046/j.1439-0310.1999.00487.x Abstract]]</ref><ref name="biobasis">Grammer K. 1989. ''Human  courtship  behaviour: biological  basis  and  cognitive processing.'' In: Rasa, A.E., Vogel, C. and Voland,E. (eds.): The Sociobiology of Sexual and Reproductive Strategies Chapmann and Hall,1989, New York. [[https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8eab/95d1298b5165b84872c533f4f46a7805a0e4.pdf FullText]]</ref>


The only male personality traits that do seem to matter are dark personality traits such as psychopathy.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Personality</ref> Feminist [[Camille Paglia]] claimed that female coyness pretty much necessitates men to engage in some kind of rape, saying, "woman's flirtatious arts of self-concealment mean man's approach must take the form of rape."<ref>https://books.google.de/books?id=jpZmBuUoAf8C&pg=PT350&lpg=PT350</ref> This notion is corroborated by research by Eibl Eibesfeldt who concluded the male dominate/female surrender pattern in human sexuality may be a remnant of ancient courtship adaptations in which pair formation only succeeds when the male is able to [[mogging|dominate]] the female, a behavior that can be observed in many reptiles, birds, and mammals.<ref>Eibl-Eibesfeldt I. 1989. ''Pair Formation, Courtship, Sexual Love.'' In: ''Human Ethology.'' Rougtledge. [[https://books.google.com/books?id=-CExDwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT6&ots=KctjD7Zprm&dq=Pair%20Formation%2C%20Courtship%2C%20Sexual%20Love&pg=PT335#v=onepage&q=Pair%20Formation,%20Courtship,%20Sexual%20Love&f=false Excerpt]]</ref>
Women are less coy if the man is good looking and sexy because potentially better looking and/or healthier offspring will make up for any potential flaws regarding character or resource provision,<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#The_attractiveness_gap_in_a_couple_predicts_how_long_they_wait_before_engaging_in_sex</ref>
which may be either explained by the [[sexy sons hypothesis]] or by the [[good genes hypothesis]].
But anecdotal evidence suggests most women make even good looking men wait (though perhaps shorter), with women with a fast [[life history]] predisposition generally waiting less.


Since men's positive personality traits play no role in human courtship, the only kind of behavioral traits that may still matter during courtship are likely limited to "sub-personality" behavior such as smiling, facial expressiveness, [[neurotypical]]ity, artistic behavior etc., which may be [[Beauty#Beautiful_behavior|aesthetically]] selected by [[Fisherian runaway|runaway selection]], possibly in addition to selection for the purposes of social signaling.
The only male personality traits that do seem to matter are dark personality traits such as psychopathy.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Personality</ref> This notion is corroborated by research by Eibl Eibesfeldt who concluded the male dominate/female surrender pattern in human sexuality may be a remnant of ancient courtship adaptations in which pair formation only succeeds when the male is able to [[mogging|dominate]] the female, a behavior that can be observed in many reptiles, birds, and mammals.<ref>Eibl-Eibesfeldt I. 1989. ''Pair Formation, Courtship, Sexual Love.'' In: ''Human Ethology.'' Rougtledge. [[https://books.google.com/books?id=-CExDwAAQBAJ&lpg=PT6&ots=KctjD7Zprm&dq=Pair%20Formation%2C%20Courtship%2C%20Sexual%20Love&pg=PT335#v=onepage&q=Pair%20Formation,%20Courtship,%20Sexual%20Love&f=false Excerpt]]</ref> Though these are generally last [[life history]] traits and does not apply to all women to the same degree.
[[Autism|Autists]] are disadvantaged in this aspect as they have difficulties producing spontaneous and appropriate facial expressions and other social signals.<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Autists_are_judged_as_awkward.2C_less_physically_attractive_and_less_approachable_within_seconds</ref>
 
Besides (nonagressive) dominance, the ideal and natural mating strategy strategy appears to be to blend in and socialize. [[Autism|Autists]] are heavily disadvantaged in this regard as they have difficulties producing spontaneous and appropriate facial expressions and other social signals,<ref>https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill#Autists_are_judged_as_awkward.2C_less_physically_attractive_and_less_approachable_within_seconds</ref>
which appears weird to others, stands out, is a threat to the reputation of the group, and may have evolved through a [[wikipedia:Behavioral_immune_system|behavioral immune system]].


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== Bateman's principle ==
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