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Some do this to lessen feelings of shame or guilt among incels and relieve them from a false hope,<ref>https://incels.co/threads/what-are-you-doing-to-spread-the-blackpill.53911/#post-995860,</ref> some want to change discourse in society,<ref>https://incels.co/threads/infiltrating-universities-to-spread-the-blackpill.67531/</ref> while others are vocal about trying to full-on "spark a revolution". Seemingly, the main thing that distinguishes the most cultish members from traditional death cults is their lack of congruent or zealous community philosophical leaders.  On [[incels.co]] there are no such leaders as the community admin, [[SergeantIncel]], advocates the [[whitepill]] which is all about acceptance and positivity.

The person who first formalized the blackpill, [[Paragon]], believed in radical [[biological essentialism]], a prominent [[alt-right]] view.  Paragon is white, but not knowingly a white nationalist or member of the alt-right as a collective and is thought to be currently living in the Phillipines.  The first two blackpill boards anywhere were either founded or discussion-seeded by a self-described "neo-reactionary", i.e. [[Caamib]].  Reddit made it clear they would not tolerate that style of incel discussion and so Braincels was populated next.  Braincels was a previously dormant sub founded by a non-racist anarcho-communist named [[AnathematicAnarchist]].  The forum espoused a unique version of the blackpill and were not particularly traditionalist or alt-right (outside of slut-shaming).  Braincels actively sought to minimize racism in their Reddit community and before [[AnathematicAnarchist]] committed suicide, were largely hostile to the [[alt-right]].<ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=racism%20&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=0&end=1583051366&size=100</ref><ref>http://redditsearch.io/?term=alt-right&dataviz=false&aggs=false&subreddits=braincels&searchtype=posts&search=true&start=0&end=1583051401&size=100</ref>  The lack of racism on Braincels was largely due to continuous bans of alt-right users, presumably mainly to prevent the entire subreddit from being banned but also because the mods were ethnics (one was a indian stalinist).

Part of the reason this clash never resolves may be due to the fact that one of the admins of incels.co (Master) is both black and seemingly on the Breitbart-side of the alt-right, and he also does not enforce his worldview except occasionally and through mod and pinned post preferences. In general he is not particularly zealous in his political opinions, and can be best thought as picking up a [[4chan]] derived political atmosphere sympathetically rather than engineering it. Alt-right sentiment also bleeds into purplepill spaces. [[Incelistan.net]], a purplepill external forum, has hundreds of registered users, but their most active poster in early 2020 is an [[alt-right]] half-Jew, while their admin is not [[alt-right]].  Alt-righters tend to be very vocal.

*Eliminating traditional gender roles necessarily destabilizes society through demotivated males

*[[Rape|Sexual coercion]] is natural part of human sexuality

Many of these themes can be found in incel vocabulary and memes. Looks and status being necessary for men, but unevenly distributed, gives rise to beta and alpha males, [[Virgin]] vs [[Chad]]. Chad represents women's tendency to date up (hypergamy) and to prefer dominant men. The higher sex drive and more active love style in men gives rise to [[Orbiting|beta orbiting]]. For women, [[Becky]] vs [[Stacy]] represent women's intra-sexual competition in looks.

Blackpills often mean that "[[it's over]]" for incels with poor looks and low [[social status]] or other flaws—that is, that they have next to no chance of '[[ascension|ascending]]' or attaining sexual and social fulfillment. The blackpill gave rise to various spin-offs with varying degrees of seriousness, for instance, the '[[dogpill]]' or '[[birdpill]]'.

'''Socially arranged or enforced monogamy''': Some propose ''[[Sexual Marxism|sex communism]]'' and ''state-issued girlfriends'' as a solution to inceldom, however others have objected that such projects seems unlikely to succeed socially/politically, as they are well outside of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window Overton Window] in all liberal democracies, at least, and as such would likely require an authoritarian state that was invested in solving the problem to successfully implement, and it is also seen as doubtful whether healthy relationships can form when a relationship is not "earned", but assigned by fiat. Both men and women often want to be proud of their partner choice. For that, both men and women need to know where they stand.

For these blackpillers, the blackpill is mainly seen as a counterweight to the prevalent and bluepilled assumption that having a poor social and [[romance|romantic]] life is mostly [[Neoliberalism|one's own fault]] and/or a matter of cultivating a positive [[personality]]. It provides an basis whereby one can reject day-to-day [[platitude]] and the commonly fraudulent "[[work on yourself|self-improvement]]" advice that is ubiquitous in media, advertising and the [[redpill]].

Some social darwinist blackpillers promote fatalism and advocate [[incelicide]]. If nobody is left to be an incel, then the problem is solved. These kinds of solutions are of course not ethically tenable. Also if the core problem of the unequal distribution of female's sexual affections is left unresolved, then this would require a continuous purge of incels every generation.

The Japanese government has invested at least 30 million dollars annually<ref>https://www.globaldatinginsights.com/news/japanese-government-is-set-to-pay-30m-into-dating-industry/</ref> into arranging monogamous relationships through arranged parties for young people<ref>https://www.sbs.com.au/guide/article/2018/09/25/japanese-government-sponsoring-parties-get-young-people-hooking</ref>, government controlled online matchmaking services,<ref>https://www.economist.com/asia/2019/10/03/japans-state-owned-version-of-tinder</ref> and government arranged "marriage-hunting" events<ref>https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/21/news/economy/japan-government-dating-services/index.html</ref> to little success.  They have recently invested 18 billion dollars into childcare subsidies to spark fertility rates during 2017.  One successful venture in the Japanese town of Nagicho that increased fertility rates was giving new Moms $2,785 in cash and giving the citizens numerous special welfare benefits.<ref>https://qz.com/1646740/japan-wants-to-raise-its-fertility-rate-with-new-perks/</ref>  This shows that monogamous marriage may need to be extremely financially subsidized by the government rather than relying on gender roles in highly technological countries, if the country does not want to engage in universal [[forced marriage]]. Japan's gender inequality index (which measures life expectancy and labor/school outcomes, not cultural gender roles) is lower to that of the U.S. (0.099 vs 0.182).<ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/JPN</ref><ref>http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/USA</ref> -->  

Counter arguments to this include that conservatives do have more sex,<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/study-conservatives-have-better-sex-lives-liberals-amanda-prestigiacomo</ref> even though even many conservatives are gender progressive nowadays. Japan is also one of the least religious countries<ref>https://www.pewforum.org/2018/06/13/how-religious-commitment-varies-by-country-among-people-of-all-ages/</ref> and has a peculiar history regarding their sexual modesty.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_nudity#Japan</ref> Historically, there have also been more incels due to harsher ecologies, so Medieval Europe and 19th century U.S. may not be a good comparison.</p>

'''Furthering the welfare state rather reducing it''':  Some blackpillers hold that poverty is a better solution to inceldom than mass abundance.<ref name="ref208">https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/she-felt-unloved/#comment-22914</ref><ref>Roger Devlin said this somewhere too</ref> To the contrary, child-rearing could instead be more subsidized to reduce female selection based on income.  Blackpillers respond that women would then turn to looks and status.  State welfare advocates also tend to promote broad societal egalitarianism (Jante Law eg), a sort of status leveler that is rumored to reduce intrasexual competition.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGn0lFlEV3A</ref>  However, they do not usually put forth a plan on how to reduce [[sexual dimorphism]] in the face of globalization. And in 2019 they tend to favor open-borders and liberal internet policy, which can increase sexual dimorphism in the dating sphere.

'''Danger of a stricter culture''': A general danger of returning to stricter enforcement of norms and hierarchies is that it will be abused by those in power. For example the notion of chivalry (man proves himself to and protects the woman), nationalism, obedience can quickly result in an exploitation of low status males and provoke wars between nations, or also possibly authoritarian outrages such as mass killings. It is a balancing act between maintaining order on the one hand and preventing highly coordinated conflict on the other.