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==Post-Minassian Attack Controversy==
==Post-Minassian Attack Controversy==
The mention of the SPLC article in the intro makes all incel communities seem like moral equivalents to the KKK, even communities like [[Incelswithouthate]], [[Incelistan]], [[Braincels]], and [[Love-shy.com]]. This is political smearing of incels.  The intro also makes it seem like most self-identified incels encourage violence, when this is a vocal minority of users on 4chan related sites.  There is a negative feedback loop where authors for incel pieces come to wikipedia first, get the notion that all communities advocate violence, write another piece, which wikipedia then cites again as another citation of evidence of incels advocating violence.  This is also why anti-incels jumped so hard at the chance to re-write the involutary celibacy article, salt it with news, then move the page when they couldn't change it enough.
The mention of the SPLC article in the intro makes all incel communities seem like moral equivalents to the KKK, even communities like [[Incelswithouthate]], [[Incelistan]], [[Braincels]], and [[Love-shy.com]]. This is political smearing of incels.  The intro also makes it seem like most self-identified incels encourage violence, when this is a vocal minority of users on 4chan related sites.  There is a negative feedback loop where authors for incel pieces come to wikipedia first, get the notion that all communities advocate violence, write another piece, which wikipedia then cites again as another citation of evidence of incels advocating violence.  This is also why anti-incels jumped so hard at the chance to re-write the involutary celibacy article, stuff the entire article with news against wikipedia policy, then move the page when they couldn't change it enough.


It almost seems like wikipedia editors and feminist journalists would rather the incel forums have radical anti-feminists than not, as their hyper-focus on those elements has attracted radical anti-feminists to the incel spaces in droves.  As well as establishing the forums that allow radical anti-feminists to grow their userbase way beyond the forums that have tighter moderation or who attract different types of incels.
Much of this problem with the page lies in the faulty assumption that "incel" is a subculture rather than a life circumstance.  Because if it's a subculture than it can only be defined in it's relation to 4chan and the [[PSL]] scene, when it's usage expands beyond 4chan and the [[PSL]] scene.
 
The criteria for inclusion for something to be put on the page as 'incel' is overly complicated and wonky.  [[Gorilla Warfare]] doesn't want just anyone that is involunarily celibate and noteable to have equal weight, but rather wants to weigh the article by how much someone '''self-identifies''' as the shortened word incel or how close a person or thing is to [[Elliot Rodger]], or something mentioned in an anti-incel feminist piece somewhere.
Much of this problem lies in the faulty assumption that "incel" is a subculture rather than a life circumstance.  Because if it's a subculture than it can only be defined in it's relation to 4chan and the [[PSL]] scene, when it's usage expands beyond 4chan and the [[PSL]] scene.


Ultimately, if something has been written about incels in an online magazine like the Huff Post that has an lead editor who still hasn't been fired for tweeting, "Kill all Men", it will be included in the incel article without much investigation.
Ultimately, if something has been written about incels in an online magazine like the Huff Post that has an lead editor who still hasn't been fired for tweeting, "Kill all Men", it will be included in the incel article without much investigation.
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