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2) Keith34545<ref>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5FUyvHIhD2bIAvJbgbCb9Q/videos</ref> from May 2008
2) Keith34545<ref>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5FUyvHIhD2bIAvJbgbCb9Q/videos</ref> from May 2008
Back in 2008, TFL was a relatively anti-feminist.  It only consisted of these three and was very often mocked – especially by forums, like Sherdog Off Topic forums (usually referred to OT).<ref>http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/l-o-l-fess-up-how-many-of-you-suffer-from-true-forced-loneliness.776808/</ref> (I even remember on love-shy.com where one of the older incels mentioned how TFL’ers were kind of conspiracy theorist but they did have good points)


==Philosophy==
==Philosophy==
TFL is the early version of what would become the anti-feminist version of Incel. No ideas on Incels.me are new – only the wording is new. Bill tended to be the more conspiracy theorist-related one.  Dwayne tended to be the more "[[nice guy]]"-related one.  Steve tended to dislike [[feminism|how women have more sexual choice than men]]. To combine the trio, you would get the victim-complex from Bill, the humanism of Dwayne, and the anti-feminism of Steve.


Back in 2008, TFL was relatively 'extremist' as it only consisted of these three and was very often mocked – especially by forums, like Sherdog Off Topic forums (usually referred to OT).<ref>http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/l-o-l-fess-up-how-many-of-you-suffer-from-true-forced-loneliness.776808/</ref> (I even remember on love-shy.com where one of the older incels mentioned how TFL’ers were kind of conspiracy theorist but they did have good points) TFL is the early version of what would become the anti-feminist version of Incel. In frank honesty, no ideas I see said on Incels.me are new – only the wording is new. I have given possible parallels in brackets:
==Sodini==
 
Other themes of TFL included sympathizing with [[George Sodini]], who was the 2009 Collier Township shooter<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Collier_Township_shooting</ref>  
1) The "New World Order" ([[Feminism]]) is preventing you from finding sex and love
In one video<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahtr1qBTp1Q</ref> at the 24 second mark, Bill said this: "there was no fucking excuse for [[George Sodini]] to have to spend his life alone." As with some posts at alt.support.shyness, there were some who sympathized with killers on youtube. Unfortunately, now, this has turned into praising of killers.
 
*note, Bill tended to be the more conspiracy theorist-related one
 
2) "If you did this for women" [[true|(You’re a nice guy) you deserve sex and love]]
 
*note, Dwayne tended to be the more "[[nice guy]]"-related one
 
3) Women are "picky picky picky" (super judgmental and restrictive)
 
*note, Steve tended to dislike [[feminism|how women have more sexual choice than men]]
 
To combine the trio, you would get the victim-complex from Bill, the humanism of
Dwayne, and the anti-feminism of Steve. Other themes included sympathizing with George
Sodini, who was the 2009 Collier Township shooter.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Collier_Township_shooting</ref> In one video<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahtr1qBTp1Q</ref> at the 24 second mark, Bill said this: "there was
no fucking excuse for [[George Sodini]] to have to spend his life alone." As with some posts at
alt.support.shyness, there were some who sympathized with killers on youtube. Unfortunately,
now, this has turned into praising of killers.


In the end, those who tried but failed with women or those who failed to try with women,
==Site==
could now call themselves victims and sufferers of TFL. The TFLers blamed society instead of the individual.


True Forced Loneliness Website Archive: [https://web.archive.org/web/20090910173207/http://trueforcedloneliness.com/about/]
True Forced Loneliness Website Archive: [https://web.archive.org/web/20090910173207/http://trueforcedloneliness.com/about/]


==References==
==References==
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