Talk:Whitepill

Weight of the Will on Whitepill (Discord Discussion)

I'm not planning to edit the page ATM, but I still would like to take this deliberation in future editions or other articles involving the Whitepill.

In reality, nobody can choose which (positive or not) emotion feel and guarantee acceptance towards their situation, even believing that can at least influence in their process by handling expectations and feedbacks, so Whitepill is very situational and subjectively-coded. While Blackpill is just descriptive while encompassing reality, this prescriptive set is not universal by nature. How many incels have you ever counted that managed to become voluntary celibate? Nonetheless, I can agree with trying to cope with the average incel set of "conscious coping mechanisms" (I prefer this term to differentiate it from fake takes on reality by lying about the real incel status like normies usually do), such as food, vydias, animes and maybe wait for the future with realistic sexbots or even gynoids (with high risk of being in another "bad liar coping" spectrum).

About the negative nature of copings, it's depend on the coping, ok, and the community always seems ambiguous in recognizing that there is a possible subcategorization on these types divided in healthy and unhealthy. It's because they condemn "copings" in plural but always encourage some habits aforementioned in an automated non-deep thoughtless way... But, I can't agree with It's untrue that nobody can choose their emotion or acceptance here!, this is far away from what I was trying to say. You can still try, but I can't speak for everyone with positive outcomes about these attempts. Those examples are good because you can't lose anything by not getting any achievement, unlike the bad ones.

My statements are based in neuroscience (see Robert Sapolsky) and philosophical reflections (Hume) about free will, that is always far behind emotions in order of "conscious management" in any serious ontological discussions that involves self-control, even religious. The problem starts just in decision-making because feelings and their cognitive alterations are too deeply automatical to predict, perhaps control (at least if you aren't alien or some sort of superhuman with time travel and control). So how do we have any choices in extrapolating from decision to feelings? We can't decide a conclusion about decisions properly yet (in terms of state-of-the-art on topic), so how we can predict that all men will die accepting with being virgin and (romantically) sexless for their rest of their lives? All we can do is only play cards with the deterministic luck, like someone playing Counter-Strike Source with bots in experience mode.

About the "accept that the world owes you nothing" take, it's depends on the meaning parameter. We are talking about moral and social incentives or just the reality of male disposability? If it's the first one, then none right would be "right" by any fair justice reasoning because of the critical nature of "request". As for the other, there is nothing to be done; reality is what it is. ViniciosSoder (talk) 00:02, 24 July 2025‎ (UTC)